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"We shouldn't have any credit to begin with at this point."

This is a pretty asinine thing to say.

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"EVERYONE in power has shown time and time again that they don't care about the debt or the problems it WILL cause"


We've been running deficits forever and it hasn't caused "problems". Look, I agree with you that the fiscal house needs to be fixed, but just spouting stupid bullshit doesn't add to the debate.

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"Saying "let's get this done now and we'll fix the debt thing later" is like a crackhead saying "just give me some crack and get to the sobriety thing late"

Not it isn't. It's like the crack head wanting to kill himself if he doesn't get some methadone now when we can do that and then work on his addiction later.

7/31/2011 8:08:49 PM

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"This is a pretty asinine thing to say."

Not really. What, at all, about our actions makes your think we are credit-worthy? BTW, I wasn't trying to say we shouldn't borrow or be allowed to borrow.

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"We've been running deficits forever and it hasn't caused "problems"."

Actually, it kind of has. Besides, no one says deficits, by themselves, are evil. But massive and continuously massive ones are.

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"Not it isn't. It's like the crack head wanting to kill himself if he doesn't get some methadone now when we can do that and then work on his addiction later."

Except that the crack head is just gonna walk out and disappear after getting his crack.

[Edited on July 31, 2011 at 8:34 PM. Reason : ]

7/31/2011 8:26:36 PM

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"What, at all, about our actions makes your think we are credit-worthy"


Don't ask me, ask the market, who still thinks we are credit worthy.

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"Actually, it kind of has."

Ok, enumerate them.

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"Except that the crack head is just gonna walk out and disappear after getting his crack."

Shut the fuck up.

7/31/2011 8:40:46 PM

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"Not really. What, at all, about our actions makes your think we are credit-worthy? BTW, I wasn't trying to say we shouldn't borrow or be allowed to borrow.
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Blame America first, gotcha.

Dirty liberals conservatives.

7/31/2011 8:41:25 PM

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"I wasn't trying to say we shouldn't borrow or be allowed to borrow."


When you said we should have no credit, that's exactly what you are saying.

We should have as much credit as people are willing to give in american dollars considering it's literally impossible for us to not be able to pay them back.

7/31/2011 8:45:08 PM

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"When you said we should have no credit, that's exactly what you are saying."

Not at all. Nowhere have I said that we should legally not be allowed to borrow. You know what I meant. now shut up.

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"Don't ask me, ask the market, who still thinks we are credit worthy."

riiiiiiiiiight. Only because the gov't is bullying the credit-rating agencies into saying so.

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"Shut the fuck up."

Thank you for admitting defeat.

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"Ok, enumerate them."

Well, for starters, if Keynsian economics is to be believed *giggles*, then we need to be able to spend our way out of this recession. But, since we have carried such huge deficits for such a long period of time, we can't afford to spend our way out of this at this point. Not to mention the effect the deficit spending has had on the economy, itself, driving concerns about the US's creditworthiness. And then there's the fact that spending so much has diverted money away from more efficient private spending, but that's not so much due to deficits than gov't spending in general.

7/31/2011 10:14:05 PM

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"Only because the gov't is bullying the credit-rating agencies into saying so."


The fuck?

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"Thank you for admitting defeat."


The fuck?

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"Well, for starters, if Keynsian economics is to be believed *giggles*, then we need to be able to spend our way out of this recession. But, since we have carried such huge deficits for such a long period of time, we can't afford to spend our way out of this at this point. Not to mention the effect the deficit spending has had on the economy, itself, driving concerns about the US's creditworthiness. And then there's the fact that spending so much has diverted money away from more efficient private spending, but that's not so much due to deficits than gov't spending in general."


That's it? Really? You didn't enumerate shit. You said taking on debt causes problems because we took on debt. The fuck? That isn't a damn answer you ape. Stop making conservatives look bad.

7/31/2011 10:37:38 PM

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aaronburro is the worst poster in the history of tww

7/31/2011 11:39:13 PM

The E Man
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by worst you mean most conservative

7/31/2011 11:45:02 PM

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no, that isn't what i mean at all

7/31/2011 11:51:34 PM

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thats funny because all he is, is a compilation of tea party/GOP talking points.

8/1/2011 12:00:02 AM

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"Nowhere have I said that we should legally not be allowed to borrow."


You were basically saying that we shouldn't borrow, then you backpedaled immediately and said that you never said that we shouldn't borrow. So basically, no one, yourself included, knows what argument you are trying to make.

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"Only because the gov't is bullying the credit-rating agencies into saying so."


Not only is that completely made up, but it is wrong as well. The buyers of bonds give us credit, not the rating agencies.

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"But, since we have carried such huge deficits for such a long period of time, we can't afford to spend our way out of this at this point."


Well sure we can, but it would have been helpful if president bush would have taken advantage of the economic growth he saw and reduced spending, but it's a little late for that now. Hell if you want to cut spending, that's fine, but now isn't they time to do it, that should be done when we make the budget.

8/1/2011 12:57:14 AM

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Rick Perry wants to determine how colleges pay professors and run operations:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rick-perrys-fighting-words-over-college-costs/2011/08/04/gIQAHnc1wI_story.html

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/08/02/1384586/homework-done-on-grade-policy.html
Wake Co SB wants to tell schools how to grade and teach

What is it with conservatives who claim to hate gov. intervention wanting to tell school administrators how to do their business??

8/6/2011 1:40:51 PM

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/27/republican-lawmaker-hires-constituent-yard-work_n_867954.html
Stephen LaRoque, an NC state rep, tells a mother of 3, that had to move in with her parents after being laid off, who wrote in about unemployment benefits that she should clean up his yard for $8/hr, and that she shouldn't be too proud.

She shows up and he tries to have her move tree branches when it's 100 degrees outside.

Meanwhile, he's lobbying for business tax breaks while companies he owns take $8 million in federal assistance.

[Edited on August 6, 2011 at 1:46 PM. Reason : ]

8/6/2011 1:46:32 PM

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"That's it? Really? You didn't enumerate shit. You said taking on debt causes problems because we took on debt."

looks like someone can't read, or at least comprehend what he reads.

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"You were basically saying that we shouldn't borrow"

No, I wasn't. STRAW MAN.

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"Rick Perry wants to determine how colleges pay professors and run operations:"

That might be scary if state governments WEREN'T ALREADY DOING THAT. DOH!

8/7/2011 1:48:13 AM

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^ clearly you didn’t read the link… not surprsing.

8/7/2011 9:46:55 AM

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/18/coburn-its-good-thing-cant-pack-gun-on-senate-floor/?test=latestnews

8/18/2011 4:54:55 PM

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So between confirmed kills of terrorists leaders by CIA drone strikes, a bullet through Osama's eye, and now the fall of Gaddafi, we've established that libruls are even better at killing brown people than the GOP. The events of the past decade has established that the GOP blows at everything they used to claim as being their domain, so someone explain to me why in the fuck anyone would ever vote for them again (unless you're a billionaire).

8/23/2011 4:44:57 PM

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8/23/2011 5:02:19 PM

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^Love it.



Arabs love us now!!!!

I mean for fucks sakes, Obama just helped depose Reagan's #1 enemy and we're going to have to listen to the GOP nominees explain how that was a bad thing for the next 18 months.

[Edited on August 23, 2011 at 5:13 PM. Reason : :]

8/23/2011 5:10:33 PM

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I wonder if the GOP still wants to cut funding to USGS and early disaster warning systems...

8/23/2011 8:28:47 PM

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^The USGS warning system worked fine today, I just missed the email.

8/23/2011 10:27:35 PM

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^^ You have no idea who the rebels are, and what causes they are going to throw their Oil money to. So is this a good thing, ask the shah of Iran.

8/23/2011 10:48:47 PM

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GOP Governors that hate the federal government need to shut their fucking pie hole when a hurricane is visited upon them and they want federal money

8/24/2011 8:22:01 PM

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maybe if the federal gov't weren't taking so much money from the states, said states could handle their own shit when emergencies happen. and, as for Libya, the jury is still out. As someone else mentioned, we still don't know WHO the rebels are and what they will support. It's entirely possible that the situation over there will end up being even worse, and then we'll have more people hating us, again.

8/29/2011 2:27:54 PM

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"North Carolina:
Amount received per tax dollar paid, avg.: $1.04
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"South Carolina:
Amount received per tax dollar paid, avg.: $2.13
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2011/04/04/state-finances.html

8/31/2011 12:12:03 AM

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bread is on sale at Kroger.
Beer is kind of expensive at the gas station

8/31/2011 10:01:56 AM

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"GOP Governors that hate the federal government need to shut their fucking pie hole when a hurricane is visited upon them and they want federal money"


Maybe we shouldn't be creating moral hazards by having a federal insurance agency that gets involved in disaster relief. The market is pretty clear: if you build a structure in a place where it is more likely to get blown away or flooded, you're going to pay a higher insurance premium. When you have a federal bureaucracy like FEMA, you remove some of that market feedback.

The result is that you get people engaging in riskier behavior because they're backstopped by the federal government.

8/31/2011 11:17:34 AM

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Looks like GOP presidents don't know much about creating jobs.

9/2/2011 11:42:44 AM

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"Maybe we shouldn't be creating moral hazards by having a federal insurance agency that gets involved in disaster relief. The market is pretty clear: if you build a structure in a place where it is more likely to get blown away or flooded, you're going to pay a higher insurance premium. When you have a federal bureaucracy like FEMA, you remove some of that market feedback.

The result is that you get people engaging in riskier behavior because they're backstopped by the federal government."


You mean like places that get flooded? Hit by tornadoes? Out of control wildfires? Snow and Ice storms that paralyze cities? Where are you talking about that natural disasters don't happen?

9/2/2011 11:53:25 AM

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they had someone on NPR the other day completely shred apart the idea that programs like FEMA remove market feedback. something like insurance prices are still wicked high in those areas and whatnot.

9/2/2011 12:13:30 PM

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Tell me about it. Getting dwelling insurance on my rental property in NC was a goddamn chore due to it's classification as a "rowhome". There was literally only one insurance company in the nation that would do it and my premium was $200 more than personal property insurance.

9/2/2011 12:26:06 PM

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We didn't have FEMA prior to 1979, and 9/10 of America's deadliest disasters happened before then (http://genealogy.about.com/od/historic_disasters/tp/deadliest_us.htm). The 1/10 was Katrina, which ranked 7th. How did FEMA do there?

It would be better if FEMA just wrote a check to people that got wrecked, but they have to start micromanaging the relief efforts. That's why state and local governments have more bad things to say about FEMA than good things.

Oh, and there's the whole "we're borrowing money to pay for it" thing, but I know you guys don't give a shit about that.

9/2/2011 1:09:02 PM

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Anyone else caught Hannity this week? He has tried so so very hard to try and make Irene Obama's "Katrina". While it's weak and revolting I almost pity him....almost.

9/2/2011 1:34:48 PM

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oh, and the other thing the guy on NPR talked about was how FEMA was formed because local state governments were overwhelmed and didn't have the proper funding/etc. to handle larger relief efforts. (in case that wasn't obvious)

[Edited on September 2, 2011 at 2:11 PM. Reason : ]

9/2/2011 1:55:55 PM

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"The 1/10 was Katrina, which ranked 7th. How did FEMA do there?"

That's what happens when shitty presidents appoint horse judges to jobs they aren't remotely qualified for. Note: this does not condemn the system as a whole, even though you'll say that it does.

9/3/2011 5:09:10 PM

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"It would be better if FEMA just wrote a check to people that got wrecked"


If they did that, you'd be bitching about someone who bought cigarettes with the money.

9/3/2011 5:37:37 PM

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People were bitching about that. FEMA gave out debit cards and Republicans lost their shit.

9/3/2011 6:56:04 PM

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How exactly would state and local governments handle disasters that span state lines? or happen in international waters (like oil spills...).

Seems like a logistical nightmare.

It's fun to watch certain people rail against FEMA though, it let's you know who the REALLY dumb people are.

9/4/2011 1:29:37 AM

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Rumors are that Peggy Hill, err, Sarah Palin fucked Glen Rice back in the day

More of a knock on Rice's credibility if you ask me

9/15/2011 2:31:37 AM

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aaronburro, I want to know EXACTLY how you are affected by Obama's so-called "insane" deficit spending. Because if it isn't affecting you in any tangible way, and your livelihood is not dependent on it, then it really just sounds like you're spouting off about bullshit you really don't understand.

9/15/2011 6:50:45 AM

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9/15/2011 10:09:10 PM

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"aaronburro, I want to know EXACTLY how you are affected by Obama's so-called "insane" deficit spending. Because if it isn't affecting you in any tangible way, and your livelihood is not dependent on it, then it really just sounds like you're spouting off about bullshit you really don't understand."

so, I can't be concerned about destructive policies if they aren't directly affecting me right this moment? how fucking stupid of you

9/15/2011 10:59:54 PM

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"House Republicans claimed that a proposed rule from the Interior Department that would “designate the Burmese python and eight other snake species as ‘injurious’” — therefore “make it illegal to import them or transport them across state lines” — is a threat to job creation.

They even brought a snake breeder to testify before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, who said that the rule could “devastate a small but thriving sector of the economy.”"


http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/09/15/319719/in-battle-over-job-creation-ideas-gop-offers-deregulation-of-pythons/

9/16/2011 12:24:46 AM

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"aaronburro, I want to know EXACTLY how you are affected by Obama's so-called "insane" deficit spending. Because if it isn't affecting you in any tangible way, and your livelihood is not dependent on it, then it really just sounds like you're spouting off about bullshit you really don't understand."



9/16/2011 12:38:27 AM

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"House Republicans claimed that a proposed rule from the Interior Department that would “designate the Burmese python and eight other snake species as ‘injurious’” — therefore “make it illegal to import them or transport them across state lines” — is a threat to job creation."

The utter incompetence of the GOP knows no bounds it seems....

9/16/2011 2:58:03 PM

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"so, I can't be concerned about destructive policies if they aren't directly affecting me right this moment? how fucking stupid of you"


No, it's contempt prior to investigation. If you can prove to me how these policies have been destructive, especially to your livelihood, then fucking show me. Otherwise, you sound like an idiot.

9/16/2011 3:11:45 PM

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^^^ allright Duke, enlighten me. If you've got something to say, then fucking say your opinion.

[Edited on September 16, 2011 at 3:15 PM. Reason : ..]

9/16/2011 3:13:12 PM

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RUH RUH I ONLY SUPPORT POPULAR UPRISINGS AGAINST DICTATORS IF THE NEW LEADERSHIP IS ON OUR SIDE! I HAVE NO FUCKING PRINCIPLES AT ALL EXCEPT THE "ME FIRST" PRINCIPLE!

9/16/2011 3:25:48 PM

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"House Republicans claimed that a proposed rule from the Interior Department that would “designate the Burmese python and eight other snake species as ‘injurious’” — therefore “make it illegal to import them or transport them across state lines” — is a threat to job creation."

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"The utter incompetence of the GOP knows no bounds it seems.... "


lol because snake handling is a growing segment of our economy.

9/16/2011 3:55:59 PM

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