Nice troll attempt pooljobs. A for effort F for delivery.

Can you also enlighten us on what my intentions are with this post?

12/28/2009 8:12:39 PM

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"you can say that, and it still doesn't make it true. For the most part, every other MP3 player out there has had more features than an iPod at the time, and for almost half the price. it was always just marketing and hype."

Number of features != quality of product. There is a LOT of research and market data that shows that products sell better with fewer, well crafted and integrated features. Not just Apple product segments either.

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"When you say academic are you talking students or units bought for academic facilities? As far as student use I'd say they are doing well. "

I'm talking about institutions.

Keep in mind that business PC sales are 80+% of the market, and that less than 10% of that is in retail outlets. Consumer PC sales are like 30/70 the last I saw (retail vs. oem/online/mail), so take 91% of 30% of 20% and you get 5.5% total market share, which is almost exactly what Apple actually has.

12/28/2009 10:30:49 PM

I'm drooling over how awesome this could be in my car. If I can afford the tablet, I'll install some sort of mount, preferably with a built-in power source, in the front seat and feed the audio into the car stereo. I'll also attach a HDTV tuner and receive TV channels on the go. No fumbling with dvds, because I'll have a vast video library stored on the device (it had better have a decent hard drive). No clunky dvd players, messy A/V cables, or space-hogging laptops.

1/5/2010 9:45:58 AM

you sound like an infomercial

1/5/2010 9:53:11 AM

I had a report due on space. Scored an A.

1/5/2010 10:14:24 AM

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[Edited on January 5, 2010 at 10:31 AM. Reason : late]

1/5/2010 10:31:18 AM

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"I'm drooling over how awesome this could be in my car. If I can afford the tablet, I'll install some sort of mount, preferably with a built-in power source, in the front seat and feed the audio into the car stereo. I'll also attach a HDTV tuner and receive TV channels on the go. No fumbling with dvds, because I'll have a vast video library stored on the device (it had better have a decent hard drive). No clunky dvd players, messy A/V cables, or space-hogging laptops."

arent you the same guy always bitching about how you never have money for anything?

and dont you drive some shitty crown vic that you think is awesome because you put a shitty car PC in it at one point?

SMH

1/5/2010 12:07:45 PM

I've always wished someone made a carnav where I plugged in the ipod and just had its video and touch controls go to the bigger screen in the dash. would be a baller car nav

1/5/2010 9:11:34 PM

^^Haha so tr00

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"You can't have a clear tablet that would be worth a damn. You could take your LCD screen out of the mountings if you would wish, but remember that it's only a polarizing filter. Problems with clear screen: -No control of background -Most screens are either light generating (OLED) or light filtering (LCD) and lead to two anomalies in a clear-screen device. 1. LCD screens turn "clear" for white, so if you're staring at the floor, you'll instead see the floor. 2. LED screens wouldn't have contrast as light would bleed through, but I think the substrate only allows moderate bleed through anyway. "

here is how it would look IRL (not a tablet, but still a good visual)

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/samsungs-14-inch-transparent-oled-laptop-video/


Back to the topic, I am excited about all the tablet/convertible devices coming out I think this is where touch/multitouch featured will really play out nicely, much more so than on touch desktops just because of the form factor.

ton of promising devices with sexy hardware coming out, from HP, Lenovo, and Sony (looking at CES), but i think the difference will still be still in the software> Apple is likely to PWN everyone again because

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"except until you actually own both of them and realize the other one is a poorly built piece of shit that could have 10x the features and still be damn near useless"

Even after installing all sorts of cool extra multitouch drivers and apps, my multitouch HP is still less intuitive/useful/smooth/fast/stable than my iphone. Needless to say, number of touch/multitouch-specific apps i still haven't installed are running out for Win, but still showing in in tens of thousands for iPhone

[Edited on January 7, 2010 at 4:33 AM. Reason : .]

1/7/2010 4:13:13 AM

1/18/2010 12:58:36 PM

that's what the bottom of the tablet will look like

1/18/2010 1:02:48 PM

Any chance this week's event includes an updated ipod touch - like with camera or built in mic?

1/25/2010 7:33:16 PM

maybe it's the flower power imac come back to life!

1/25/2010 7:44:54 PM

^^ possible, at least with a camera.
But I wouldn't expect it to be a major announcement - they may have a couple big announcements (like, 1) iLife '10, 2) iPhone 4.0 software, 3) Tablet) and have some small updates they don't announce onstage but get rolled out in the store on the same day, like iPod Touch w/ camera and some Macbook spec updates.


re: the "come see our latest creation" announcement - I like the speculation that the picture is a hint that the new tablet will be called "Canvas"

1/25/2010 8:23:59 PM

how is that not a major announcement?

[Edited on January 25, 2010 at 8:30 PM. Reason : oic just the ipod touch possibility being major announcement material. agreed.]

1/25/2010 8:27:04 PM

I'm burnt out with all this tablet talk - I for one am not really that enthusiastic

1/25/2010 8:43:32 PM

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"I'm burnt out with all this tablet talk - I for one am not really that enthusiastic"

1/25/2010 9:21:07 PM

ok well i got dibs on both y'alls then

1/25/2010 9:22:01 PM

So I've heard this thing could cost from $700 to $1000

Is this for real? $1000 for a touch screen netbook?

1/25/2010 10:15:31 PM

Clearly people on tww know more than the places where you read that.


Also, why do poor people keep complaining about the cost of apple products? You don't see me complaining about the price of a benz

1/25/2010 10:25:39 PM

latest rumors suggest that the price will be no where near $1000

i'm skeptical, but i do think that $1k would be a bit steep

either way im buying it roflz

1/25/2010 10:34:32 PM

$1000!??!? WHAT? THAT'S INSANE! WAY TOO MUCH FOR THIS PRODUCT THEY HAVEN'T RELEASED YET AND I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!!!

1/26/2010 1:12:03 AM

Considering the iPhone 3GS 32gb is $699, I'm pretty doubtful about a pricetag anywhere near the 700-1000 range.

1/26/2010 1:23:03 AM

^its a different line of product. Macbook is $999. I mean that is if we are indeed comparing the pricing of apples to the pricing of oranges.

1/26/2010 1:30:19 AM

^^ .... what would you suggest then?
I assume you mean more than the 700-1000 range? Which would put it in the high-end Macbook or low-end MBP range?

eh, i don't see that

[Edited on January 26, 2010 at 1:30 AM. Reason : .]

1/26/2010 1:30:34 AM

The iPhone 3GS isn't a valid comparison. This thing probably won't have phone capabilities [disclaimer: who the hell knows what this thing it, it could just be a touchscreen iMac]. The iPod Touch seems like it'd be closer.

The touch ranges from 200 to 400 dollars. So a 10 inch version of it being between 700-1000 seems a lot more plausible.

[Edited on January 26, 2010 at 8:07 AM. Reason : /]

1/26/2010 8:06:33 AM

Quote :

" I'm drooling over how awesome this could be in my car. If I can afford the tablet, I'll install some sort of mount, preferably with a built-in power source, in the front seat and feed the audio into the car stereo. I'll also attach a HDTV tuner and receive TV channels on the go. No fumbling with dvds, because I'll have a vast video library stored on the device (it had better have a decent hard drive). No clunky dvd players, messy A/V cables, or space-hogging laptops."

Just so you know, it's illegal in the state of NC to have a TV facing the driver in a vehicle. My dad got pulled for it a couple of years ago.

1/26/2010 9:08:50 AM

The retail price of an iPhone is so high because they want to discourage people from buying it out of contract

1/26/2010 10:50:23 AM

^No, its so low with contract because Americans wouldn't buy it otherwise, this is just how it works for us. Most other countries sell you the phone at retail (not just the iPhone).

1/26/2010 11:03:14 AM

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"The touch ranges from 200 to 400 dollars. So a 10 inch version of it being between 700-1000 seems a lot more plausible."

That's a good point. I guess I have a hard time believing it won't be a 3/4G enabled device, but certainly no real justification for that.

Even then though, you need a high-res screen and a BIG capacitive overlay, and the hardware to drive it all. Which ain't cheap. Look at the price differences between touch and non-touch laptops... generally seems to be a 5-700 difference just based on the touch capability.

But from a marketing perspective, a 799 or a 999 pricetag would be pretty damn appealing. Even if it cuts into their margins on the hardware, they've got the AppStore system running full-tilt to bring in that revenue

1/26/2010 3:49:30 PM

we're talking at most 1024x600 panels here, maybe 1366x768

don't forget ASUS already makes a touchscreen netbook (8.9") for <$500

google: ASUS Eee PC T91

just imagine a full touchscreen, no physical keyboard and smaller profile. i mean it's practically the same exact thing except running some variant of the iPhone OS (predicted)

ASUS T91:
# Storage: 52 GB Hybrid Storage (16 GB SSD + 16 GB SD Card + 20 GB Eee online Storage**)

I'd imagine the tablet's going to be along the same lines in terms of storage as well, some sort of internal ssd, and online storage (mobileme) and "possibly" an expansion card slot, but not likely.

There's also the Gigabyte variant:
GIGABYTE TouchNote T1028 10.1" Touch Screen WXGA TFT-LCD / N280 1.66Ghz / 1366x768 / Black LED / 1G SDRAM / 250 HDD / 6 Cell / New Version - Windows 7 ($700)

except i think the Apple tablet will run a snapdragon processor

[Edited on January 26, 2010 at 4:31 PM. Reason : .]

1/26/2010 4:19:09 PM

^There's a BIG difference between a netbook (or laptop) and a slate. You essentially cut the available space in half, and have to do considerably more for heat dissipation.

Online storage is a total gimmick, it's got 16gb of storage and comes with a SD card. The Apple thing, whatever it is, will definitely be SSD based. I would be very very surprised if they offered an expansion slot, only because they don't have ANY other product that has ever had one before.

Also, I am very doubtful they can use the Atom processor. I have a gut feeling it's either going to be a custom ARM setup or a Core2 ULV. Because the Atom would choke on OSX (as seen by the guys who've put it on their netbooks), and would likely be massive battery kill for the iPhone OS in comparison to ARM.

Who knows? Guess we'll all find out tomorrow

1/26/2010 4:32:02 PM

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/05/lenovo-ideapad-u1-hybrid-hands-on-and-impressions/

How about the Ideapad U1's tablet screen. It's a lot closer to what the Tablet would likely be, just minus the netbook backing.

Unfortunately, it's not really useful as a comparison because I can't find a price for it.

1/26/2010 4:36:54 PM

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"You essentially cut the available space in half, and have to do considerably more for heat dissipation."

aye, but if it's a snapdragon it's very low wattage 0.5W and very little heat... get rid of keyboard cuts the profile in half. the TOUCHSCREEN part is not all that dissimilar, the screen is what we were discussing. obviously a better (lower wattage) processor that has GPS, multimedia functions built-in, better battery life, it is a no brainer, i know they won't be using an Atom. my point is the pricepoint is THERE for a <10" touchscreen, the snapdragon is LESS than the Atom even at bulk pricing...

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"I would be very very surprised if they offered an expansion slot, only because they don't have ANY other product that has ever had one before."

as would i, that's why i said it's doubtful.

Quote :

"Online storage is a total gimmick"

i only mention it because of the rumored enhancements made to MobileMe and with their recent purchase of cloud music service Lala.com


[Edited on January 26, 2010 at 4:45 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on January 26, 2010 at 4:46 PM. Reason : .]

1/26/2010 4:38:25 PM

^Yep, thats a good comparison. Considering their cheapest netbook (S12?) is like 450-500 bucks though, I don't imagine the U1 will be cheap. The article was for a preproduction prototype, which means that thing could easily still be 6-8 months away from a real price announcement :/

1/26/2010 4:39:43 PM

It's slated for a Summer 2010 release according to Lenovo's website. So we'll know soon. Apple's tablet, however, will probably be out first.

And do you consider SD Card slots to be expansion slots? Because the current Macbook Pros have them. Also, the 17 inch MBP has Expresscard expansion.

[Edited on January 26, 2010 at 4:44 PM. Reason : .]

1/26/2010 4:41:11 PM

exactly my point, yet another netbook with touchscreen capabilities and uses the snapdragon instead of the Atom, it's the same exact thing as the preexisting netbooks, lenovo just took the keyboard part and made it a "dock" the "slate" is the exact same as the touchscreen part of the netbooks.

1/26/2010 4:49:46 PM

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"I would be very very surprised if they offered an expansion slot, only because they don't have ANY other product that has ever had one before."

Latest generation Macbooks and Macbook Pros (except for the 17" model) for the first time include an 'expansion slot/card reader'

1/26/2010 4:50:28 PM

To be fair, that design makes the keyboard considerably more than a Dock. It's more like having a tablet netbook (with C2D processor) with a detachable screen that CAN act as a low-powered tablet pc.

It's called a hybrid, and it seems with good reason. If it works as claimed then both aspects of the device will have their own definite strengths.

I guess the Archos 9 is a close comparison to what Apple is trying to do, although it's not a very good tablet. Atom processor, 9 inch screen, Windows 7 (Starter, blech), and it costs $550.

But nobody buys Archos products.

[Edited on January 26, 2010 at 4:55 PM. Reason : .]

1/26/2010 4:52:08 PM

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"Because the Atom would choke on OSX (as seen by the guys who've put it on their netbook"

my mini9 runs osx 10.5.8 awesome on a 16g and 32g ssd, no problems whatsoever.

1/26/2010 5:05:28 PM

^^good comparison, the only reason why Archos went with Atom is for the obvious Windows support... i think you replace that with the snapdragon, put an Apple OS on it, replace the HDD with SSD, make it thinner, and it's pretty close

[Edited on January 26, 2010 at 5:21 PM. Reason : .]

1/26/2010 5:19:58 PM

http://store.shopfujitsu.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=ST6012&ptype=TB

If you want to see one at the other end there's the Fujitsu ST6012. Core 2 Duo (ULV), Vista Business, up to 4 gigs of RAM, 7.5 hour battery life. Generally head and shoulders above the Archos 9.

Price? Between 2000-3000 dollars.

1/26/2010 6:10:52 PM

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"my mini9 runs osx 10.5.8 awesome on a 16g and 32g ssd, no problems whatsoever."

It's slow. About 25% slower to boot than Win7, and basic apps take nearly double the time to load (comparing Chrome on OSX to Win7 directly).

It may not have problems, but "awesome" isn't the word I would use for the experience. Hell even Win7 is just barely tolerable on a netbook.

1/26/2010 9:26:10 PM

ive convinced my boss to buy us these when they are released. it is only for 3 people. but i dont care i get one.

1/26/2010 10:13:45 PM

^how did that work when you don't know anything about them or if they'll even be useful for your job lol

1/26/2010 10:18:18 PM

why does he need to know if it'll be useful? that's steve job's responsibility

1/26/2010 10:32:21 PM

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"It's slow. About 25% slower to boot than Win7, and basic apps take nearly double the time to load (comparing Chrome on OSX to Win7 directly). It may not have problems, but "awesome" isn't the word I would use for the experience. Hell even Win7 is just barely tolerable on a netbook."

i don't know what you did differently, but i don't have those issues. maybe the method you used to install was different. mine is like lightning compared to when it ran xp. couple of differences though: i don't use chrome, i haven't installed win7 on this ever (although i do use it at work). my mini9 definitely boots faster than my work computer (dell precision 3700). i think the video driver in osx is better too. things don't look as washed out. the only apps i ever load are firefox, sometimes safari, calculator, and ichat (rarely).

i was ready to throw this thing through the wall before i swapped OSs. now i love it. yay baby computer!

1/26/2010 10:58:01 PM

this is on a beta build of Win7. RTM boot times were improved even more.



here's another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bumX6PD9Bww


[Edited on January 26, 2010 at 11:12 PM. Reason : blech]

1/26/2010 11:07:52 PM

Quote :

"How about the Ideapad U1's tablet screen. It's a lot closer to what the Tablet would likely be, just minus the netbook backing. Unfortunately, it's not really useful as a comparison because I can't find a price for it."

The goal right now is < $1000

1/26/2010 11:44:17 PM

Partnership with mcgrawhill confirmed. The etexts have to be much cheaper so that they can compete with used + buybacks. Also, most universities give students free access to full texts, anyway (safaribooksonline.com).

I assume we will see a bunch of other book content and other media going in to this device. Gotta see if I have a use for it. I don't think the book prices will get low enough for me to stop just buying used books.

1/27/2010 12:15:37 AM