Jrb599 All American 8846 Posts user info edit post |
7200 rpm 7/5/2008 12:14:58 PM |
stepmaniadud All American 1056 Posts user info edit post |
then yea, depending on how small that drive is, I'd use it just for OS and program files and use a Media harddrive for pretty much everything else, you may notice a performance gain, and it makes reformats a breeze. The only instances I've heard of people installing JUST the OS to a drive (and partitioning it to allow for a page file partition) and leaving it at that are really anal bastards who benchmark, but just an OS/programs drive would probably be best if you can do it.
[Edited on July 5, 2008 at 12:22 PM. Reason : .] 7/5/2008 12:21:45 PM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
^^typically when you hear that they are referring to a 10k rpm hard drive
since most of the common files being put in memory are operating system files, the faster the drive the OS is on, the faster your computer will startup, load applications, etc. but since these hard drives are somewhat limited in size, it's very common to have a 2nd hard drive that's 320+GB for storage that's just a 7200rpm drive. 7/5/2008 12:34:38 PM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah i have my OS/Programs on the 10k Raptor 150GB, and my media/storage on the 2 Tbyte drives. 7/5/2008 12:37:03 PM |
ComputerGuy (IN)Sensitive 5052 Posts user info edit post |
Take two 150 raptors and put it into RAID 1. You can find a decent mobo to support a basic raid (0/1/5). Have your media drives.
I just put 3-750 into raid 5, and I've never been happier. 7/5/2008 1:46:37 PM |
TroleTacks Suspended 1004 Posts user info edit post |
I'm rollin with a Socket 939 3000+ XP and one of the chipset fans have been wobbly for awhile. Thinking about upgrading the mobo/cpu. I don't do shit on this machine, just eager to spend some cash. Are one of the AMD offerings reasonable enough or should I pay a little more for a Core 2. Don't game, don't care about OCing. Sorry, I haven't researched this myself yet, interested to see what your 2 cents are. 7/5/2008 2:12:56 PM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
go Core2Duo/P35 7/5/2008 3:25:33 PM |
Jrb599 All American 8846 Posts user info edit post |
anyone here use ebay a lot to get their parts. As long as the warranty is still good, I guess it's ok to buy stuff from there. 7/5/2008 8:42:20 PM |
Jrb599 All American 8846 Posts user info edit post |
Prospero,
In your build for <1000$
Why do you use the ASUS P5Q Pro instead of the ASUS P5Q Deluxe
[Edited on July 6, 2008 at 11:34 PM. Reason : ] 7/6/2008 11:33:46 PM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
a) because it's $70 cheaper b) because there was a combo deal ($30 off) with the 4850 c) because i figured you didn't want to pay $70 more for dual gigabit lan
in regards to RAM, anything over DDR2-800 is considered outside of standard DDR2 spec and needs to have increased voltage applied to reach speeds over 800mhz. typically it's 1.8v and 800mhz. since most motherboards default at 1.8v, that usually means memory will drop it's speed down to 800mhz because it doesn't have enough voltage, people most commonly think this means they have faulty RAM. this is not the case. just up the voltage, set the speed & timings to EXACT manufacturer's recommendations, and you'll be fine.
to fix this: a) insert one stick of memory b) go into BIOS, up the memory voltage to what the manufacturer recommends c) up the speed and timings to what the manufacturer recommends d) restart, if it works, then e) insert stick #2
other sites i'd recommend for price comparisons: http://www.clubit.com http://www.zipzoomfly.com or always http://www.pricegrabber.com http://www.google.com/products and be sure to check: http://www.resellerratings.com
[Edited on July 6, 2008 at 11:44 PM. Reason : ,] 7/6/2008 11:39:28 PM |
Jrb599 All American 8846 Posts user info edit post |
Thanks for the advice. I was on ebay yesterday and saw a Deluxe(ebay) cheaper than the Pro(newegg). Thought about maybe gettin' that instead mainly because it was cheaper.
[Edited on July 6, 2008 at 11:48 PM. Reason : ] 7/6/2008 11:47:45 PM |
Jrb599 All American 8846 Posts user info edit post |
Is G.Skill better than OCZ
I ask because there is a huge difference in the price
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227289
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166 7/7/2008 7:21:15 AM |
quagmire02 All American 44225 Posts user info edit post |
^ is it noticeably better? no 7/7/2008 9:50:15 AM |
ComputerGuy (IN)Sensitive 5052 Posts user info edit post |
I just bought 8 gigs of G Skill memory....I hope it's worth it. 7/7/2008 9:55:51 AM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
you missed the deal, i believe both the 2gb & 4gb were on sale...
check out this deal instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227298 7/7/2008 10:30:53 AM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
or this: (preferred) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145197 7/7/2008 12:38:28 PM |
Jrb599 All American 8846 Posts user info edit post |
What separates all these quality wise.
Why is G.Skill so much more $$$ 7/7/2008 1:34:50 PM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
go look again, the g.skill is back down to $109 + free shipping
they are all good brands 7/7/2008 2:02:03 PM |
Jrb599 All American 8846 Posts user info edit post |
Oh wow crazy. I almost bought that G.Skill yesterday too.
Glad I didn't. 7/7/2008 2:04:20 PM |
Jrb599 All American 8846 Posts user info edit post |
What kind of Video card do you guys recommend that is ~$150 7/7/2008 7:59:41 PM |
Noen All American 31346 Posts user info edit post |
those are absolutely insane memory prices.
I've seen 2x1gb sets for 15-25 bucks all over the place. Just get two of em for 4gb. No need for 100 dollar memory at all.
150 dollar video card = Radeon 4850 on special. 7/7/2008 8:04:52 PM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
ddr2-800 yes, but you can't double rebates either, so unless you're ok with different brands, different latencies, different voltages i wouldn't recommend it...
$150 = Radeon 4850
[Edited on July 7, 2008 at 9:06 PM. Reason : .] 7/7/2008 9:06:37 PM |
Jrb599 All American 8846 Posts user info edit post |
What's the difference between the 4850 and EVGA 8800GT
Also sorry for all these noob questions
[Edited on July 7, 2008 at 9:11 PM. Reason : ] 7/7/2008 9:11:36 PM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "150 dollar video card = Radeon 4850 on special." |
Best deal hands down.
Quote : | "What's the difference between the 4850 and EVGA 8800GT" |
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_4850_4870_performance/page12.asp
Bunch of benchmarks all over the place. 4850 is more powerful and on average only a little more than the 8800gt. One 4850 for 150$ or 2 4850's for 300-350$ is probably the best value you're gonna get.
Right now it seems like AMD hasn't perfected thier sli drivers yet and 2 4850's usually bench the same as 2 4870s. This will probably change after a few driver updates, but there's really no game you need more than one 4850 for.7/7/2008 11:02:11 PM |
chargercrazy All American 2695 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=100080067/8/2008 11:32:24 AM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
now THAT's hot 7/8/2008 11:42:49 AM |
chargercrazy All American 2695 Posts user info edit post |
I picked up that memory and my case from there. Got my PS from Buy.com and the rest from newegg. 7/9/2008 3:56:32 PM |
Jrb599 All American 8846 Posts user info edit post |
Does newegg do price adjusting if the price dips down below what you bought it for. 7/9/2008 4:48:56 PM |
stepmaniadud All American 1056 Posts user info edit post |
usually, if it's like within a week you can get lucky. 7/9/2008 4:56:45 PM |
Jrb599 All American 8846 Posts user info edit post |
sweet 7/9/2008 5:00:22 PM |
AndyMac All American 31922 Posts user info edit post |
Is a 4850 for $160 better than a 9800 GTX for $190?
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10008793
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10008198&ps=pn4 7/10/2008 1:45:32 AM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
yes, a 4850 is slightly faster than a 9800GTX 7/10/2008 2:03:13 AM |
AndyMac All American 31922 Posts user info edit post |
4 Questions.
1. Is this case/PSU combo good? It's antec and comes with a 500w antec PS. Should that be enough for a 4850?
http://www.buy.com/prod/antec-sonata-iii-super-mini-tower-w-earthwatts-500w-power-supply/q/loc/101/204559259.html
2. In a computer used mostly for gaming, what would the differences be in a Core 2 Duo and a Core 2 Quad, other than $100. I'm 90% sure I'm not going to be doing any overclocking.
3. Is there any problem with transferring hard drives directly from an old machine to a new one?
4. how much of a performance hit would I take by using 2 monitors? 7/10/2008 2:53:45 AM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
^^
Quote : | "yes, a 4850 is slightly faster than a 9800GTX" |
No the 9800GTX is slightly faster than the 4850. Usually gets 3-5fps better. I think there's a couple benchmarks that the 4850 beats it by a little but mostly the 9800gtx comes out on top.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_radeon_hd_4850_geforce_9800_gtx+/page7.asp7/10/2008 10:14:22 AM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
depends on who you read.
see this review... http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341
[Edited on July 10, 2008 at 10:20 AM. Reason : .] 7/10/2008 10:19:23 AM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
^ahhh yeah. I think the 4850 scales better with cross fire too.
-ok so i want to update things. I have an 8800gtx. I was thinking of trying to sell that and get something else but i'd probably get the best performance by getting a second 8800gtx and those two put together will beat any single card.
but my card is still selling for 580$: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130078R
I want to know why it hasn't dropped in price.
Guess i could get this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133187
[Edited on July 10, 2008 at 10:58 AM. Reason : .] 7/10/2008 10:52:09 AM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
now if it was the 9800GTX+... that'd be different... the 4850 is exactly why nvidia released the + version 7/10/2008 10:55:21 AM |
AndyMac All American 31922 Posts user info edit post |
OK how does this look?
MONITOR: Acer AL2216Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009094
MOUSE/KEYBOARD: Logitech LX310 Black USB Cordless Standard Desktop Laser Mouse Included http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126032
MOBO: ASUS P5Q Pro LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131299
VIDEO CARD: ASUS Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121253
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037
RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166
HARD DRIVE: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148262
CASE & PSU: Antec Sonata III Super Mini-Tower w/ Earthwatts 500w Power Supply http://www.buy.com/prod/antec-sonata-iii-super-mini-tower-w-earthwatts-500w-power-supply/q/loc/101/204559259.html
Plus Vista 64 and a DVD burner
For a total of $1180.
I have some nice logitech speakers already. 7/10/2008 11:44:13 AM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
looks great.
[Edited on July 10, 2008 at 11:50 AM. Reason : n/m, not the same] 7/10/2008 11:49:59 AM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
nice, get a WD velociraptor. 7/10/2008 11:52:25 AM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
8800GS for $73 shipped http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=40&threadid=2205807 7/10/2008 12:27:31 PM |
stepmaniadud All American 1056 Posts user info edit post |
ok, my RMA replacement for my DOA WD 640AAKS is finally coming in today. Since I already have one for my media and don't plan on filling that anytime soon and my sata OS drive is dying, I'm gonna put an OS partition on this 640 coming in because I read different places that they have pretty good reads/writes (don't really think access time was much noticeably faster) when you partition the drive to something less than half of its capacity. Anyone know anything about this and want to care to explain?
edit: I may just wait it out until my current OS drive dies (I keep nothing important on this drive anyway) because I'm sick of reformatting. I'm really waiting for OCZ's new line of cheap SSD's to launch anyway.
[Edited on July 10, 2008 at 1:02 PM. Reason : .] 7/10/2008 12:55:04 PM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
yes, the western digital AAKS series of hard drives are on 320GB platters versus the more common 250GB platters, this means faster read/write times (1 or 2 platters versus the standard 2 to 3 platters)
http://techreport.com/articles.x/14380/13
[Edited on July 10, 2008 at 1:13 PM. Reason : /] 7/10/2008 1:04:15 PM |
Jrb599 All American 8846 Posts user info edit post |
Anyone have good recommendations on sites that explain how to build a computer.
This will be my first time. 7/10/2008 4:13:07 PM |
quagmire02 All American 44225 Posts user info edit post |
^ seriously? make a new friend and watch/help him/her or ask him/her to help you...it's by no means difficult (especially if you actually read/flip through the manuals that come with the components), but the problems you might run into (because you will probably run into SOMETHING) are going to be difficult to solve when you don't even know what you're looking for 7/10/2008 4:29:45 PM |
Jrb599 All American 8846 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah I didn't think it would be impossible, more worried about those little things or something like you said. 7/10/2008 4:33:34 PM |
Prospero All American 11662 Posts user info edit post |
read all the manuals before installation always ground yourself by touching the metal case to discharge any static don't force things into slots, medium force is ok, but know when to stop if you don't know, ask. 7/10/2008 5:35:47 PM |
chargercrazy All American 2695 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1444
This should help. Oh, and don't do these things . . .
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1720 7/10/2008 7:04:37 PM |
Jrb599 All American 8846 Posts user info edit post |
Real quick, I'm not at home with the manuals so I can't look this up.
Is it typical for all the screws to come with the case and none of the other parts to have screws? 7/10/2008 7:43:06 PM |
Boone All American 5237 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah-- the screws come with the case.
Quote : | "read all the manuals before installation" |
psyche!7/10/2008 9:17:47 PM |