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Can it be said with certainty that Ron Paul is not a corporatist?

10/28/2011 5:04:01 PM

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" "If you like your plan, you can keep it" makes you think "single payer"?"

What part of "if you like your private school, you can send your kids to it" makes you think we have single payer public schools?

10/28/2011 10:17:24 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mitt-romney-the-pretzel-candidate/2011/10/28/gIQAPEQ8PM_story.html

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"Republicans may have found their Michael Dukakis, a technocratic Massachusetts governor who takes his bearings from “data” (although there is precious little to support Romney’s idea that in-state college tuition for children of illegal immigrants is a powerful magnet for such immigrants) and who believes elections should be about (in Dukakis’s words) “competence,” not “ideology.”"

Pretty bad when a top conservative columnist is ripping the de facto GOP Presidential candidate. Obama, with an approval rating in the low 40s and a year away from the election, is currently leading polls in Ohio and NC against Romney and the other candidates. For all the talk about Democrats being bad at politics, this is just fucking embarrassing. Obama has no business leading in national polls at this point, let alone conservative leaning swing states. The GOP/Tea Party blew their wad in 2010 and are going into an ever accelerating death spiral.

11/1/2011 12:46:51 PM

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"Can it be said with certainty that Ron Paul is not a corporatist?"

Kind of. He doesn't want to empower corporations, instead choosing to disempower the institutions that (ideally) keep them in check. The old "The mobsters can't corrupt the police if we fire the police!" strategy.

[Edited on November 1, 2011 at 1:31 PM. Reason : .]

11/1/2011 1:30:39 PM

11/2/2011 1:07:48 AM

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"Kind of. He doesn't want to empower corporations, instead choosing to disempower the institutions that (ideally) keep them in check. The old "The mobsters can't corrupt the police if we fire the police!" strategy."

I'm glad you included ideally, because the institutions that are supposed to keep corporations in check are the institutions that now prop them up and give them power! The government has been picking winners and losers for a very long time.

I understand what you want the government to do. I probably agree with you on some of that. I'm telling you what the government actually does in the real world, and it's not good. The government protects corporate interests first and foremost - that must be blatantly obvious to you. It has never been clearer in United States history that we don't have a government that is representing the people.

Perhaps you believe that, if the right people were running things, we could have "good government" and a "progressive society". Here's the shitty part: no matter who we elect, we still default to the laws that are already on the books, made by every corrupt Congress that came before the current one. There are hundreds if not thousands of terrible policies that are severely distorting the market and creating moral hazard. Until we have someone that is serious about eliminating these harmful policies, we'll be stuck.

Some of these truly destructive policies: Our interventionism. We've wasted so much blood and treasure trying to "guide" other nations in positive directions, and it's blowing up in our face. It's time to stop - Ron Paul is the only guy on either side that will do this. This is a huge priority for me, both from a financial perspective and in consideration of the human consequences.

The war on drugs. The damage from this is incalculable. Communities and families destroyed every single day. Latin America has been fucking demolished by the drug cartels. Entire demographics prevented from ever leaving poverty because they get locked up. The highest incarceration rates in the world! This is a big fucking deal. We have got to elect someone that will put an end to federal enforcement of drug laws. Ron Paul will do that. Every other viable candidate will continue to ramp up the drug war, just like all presidents since Nixon.

11/2/2011 11:59:19 AM

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/191245-attorney-says-cain-accuser-wants-to-speak-publicly-about-case

Settlement Protip: Unless explicitly stated confidentiality agreements apply to both sides.

Is Cain still a serious candidate, or are we back to Romney and Bush 2

[Edited on November 2, 2011 at 1:43 PM. Reason : Obama is more like "Bush: Special Extended Edition" than Bush 2]

11/2/2011 1:40:48 PM

Gotta love how the GOP works. The fact that Cain doesn't have any knowledge or experience applicable to the job of President didn't disqualify him has a candidate, but the possibility that he grabbed some chicks ass 30 years ago will.

11/2/2011 4:30:10 PM

If only he'd divorced his wife and married the women he harassed, then the GOP would hold him up as a bastion of family values!!

/Each woman, each time.
// Actually, his wife has managed to stay pretty much completely out of the headlines. I think that gets her some form of kudos.

11/2/2011 4:38:38 PM

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"Gotta love how the GOP works. The fact that Cain doesn't have any knowledge or experience applicable to the job of President didn't disqualify him has a candidate, but the possibility that he grabbed some chicks ass 30 years ago will. "

Community Organizer, part-time law lecturer, and state senator vs. former Fed board member, pizza CEO.

I wonder how two people with such little experience and knowledge both vaulted to the front of Presidential campaigns so unexpectedly.

Do they have anything in common?

11/2/2011 4:45:24 PM

Oops, you said it.

11/2/2011 4:48:33 PM

Obama more than held his own in debates vs more "experienced" candidates (everyone thought McCain would cream him). As a Senator he sponsored several bills that actually reached the President's desk and served as a chairman on the foreign relations committee. He had more than enough legislative experience and showed plenty of political knowledge. On top of that, he ran one of the most effective campaigns ever., going from a long shot candidate to winning the whole damn thing in a landslide.

On the other hand, Cain can't even debate talk show hosts effectively. He wants to make sure China doesn't get any nukes (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/02/cain-shows-inconsistencies-in-foreign-policy-understanding/) and hasn't proposed a single bit of policy that passes the laugh test, let alone could be signed into law. His actual campaign (or lack thereof) is a joke. He hasn't been a CEO in decades. He lobby's for big business and is a traveling book salesman, that's it.

It's like comparing someone with a masters in electrical engineering to a guy who screwed in a light bulb once. Don't even try to go down that road, Cain is a complete fucking joke of a Presidential candidate, and a moron to boot.

11/2/2011 5:14:19 PM

Yeah, but I bet he know that apostrophe+s is not a valid verb conjugation.

11/2/2011 5:22:33 PM

^^well hes done for anyway thanks to playing grab-ass

[Edited on November 2, 2011 at 5:23 PM. Reason : ^^]

11/2/2011 5:22:56 PM

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"Yeah, but I bet he know that apostrophe+s is not a valid verb conjugation."

11/2/2011 5:25:04 PM

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/charges_against_cain_cannot_be_ignored.html

11/3/2011 7:26:05 PM

you gotta admit, it's pretty funny that the most bizarre/least qualified person always seems to jump to the top of race for the Republicans.

Palin/Trump/Bachmann/Cain/Perry


Just accept Mitt Romney as your front-runner, already. He's the only one who can hang with Obama.

11/3/2011 7:42:51 PM

Ron Paul is top tier. When the rest of the dumbasses get weeded out, there will be only a few left, among them Ron Paul.

11/3/2011 7:45:56 PM

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"Actually, yes. Youtube search it. You will find that wasn't during his campaigning, but in the Summer of 2009."

Which would then go directly against the claim that he "campaigned on single payer," wouldn't it? QFT.

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"Dubya didn't propose it, the Iraqi government did. Dubya wanted to stay indefinitely and give total legal immunity to troops. Iraqi government said "no, out by 2012." "

And it was still, however, what Dubya said we were gonna do. QFT.

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"Lmao, the only reason a surge was necessary in Afghanistan was because shithead Dubya prematurely withdrew forces to try and drive his poll numbers up."

And he STILL did a surge, exactly like Dubya did.

In other words, he's done the same shit as dubya, you stupid fucking moron.

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"Are you fucking serious? He ordered the raid on on bin Laden's compound because he "didn't have balls?"."

Sure, if you take out what I was actually saying, that makes sense. too bad that's not exactly the point I was making, which was that Obama started this campaign of drone strikes because he didn't have the political balls to deal with what would happen when people were captured, considering that he was against Gitmo.

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"Pretty bad when a top conservative columnist is ripping the de facto GOP Presidential candidate."

not really. pretty much everyone in the party hates Romney. it shouldn't therefor be surprising that a conservative columnist doesn't like him, either.

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"On top of that, he ran one of the most effective campaigns ever."

I don't really call "being black and loved by the media" "running an effective campaign". But that's just me. Moreover, if the economy hadn't dropped like a fucking rock, you'd be bitching today about how bad President McCain is.

11/5/2011 6:15:07 PM

santorum looks like a keebler elf tonight lol

ahahaha and the damn host just asked hermain cain to describe his moral character! (and got booed)

OH SHIT and just asked romney if HE would keep HERMAIN CAIN on at HIS company!

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 8:24 PM. Reason : zing!]

11/9/2011 8:22:47 PM

Ah, Romney...that great defender of free markets.

11/9/2011 8:45:50 PM

Considering this debate is supposed to be able the economy, how much of it has been "Drill here, drill now, drill in the skulls of baby seals!"?

11/9/2011 8:55:03 PM

11/9/2011 9:09:19 PM

I feel kind of bad for Perry after that. As a candidate I disagree with almost everything he stands for. But at a human level it has to suck to be stuck there on the stage after that.

11/9/2011 9:29:08 PM

^what happen?

11/9/2011 9:39:23 PM

yeah, everyones been in that situation at some point. its the worst thing in the world. he handled it as a good sport by just admitting he didn't know and saying "oops"

11/9/2011 9:42:35 PM

doesnt matter how he handled it. doesnt make that fail any better.

stick a fork in him. he's done. (not like he wasn't already)

11/9/2011 9:47:27 PM

11/9/2011 9:55:12 PM

hahahaha, oh man

11/9/2011 11:03:57 PM

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"eah, everyones been in that situation at some point. its the worst thing in the world. he handled it as a good sport by just admitting he didn't know and saying "oops""

he's running for president of the united states, not the PTA. That was embarrassingly piss poor. I can't decide though if Herman Cain or Perry is dumber.

11/10/2011 12:14:13 AM

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"eah, everyones been in that situation at some point. its the worst thing in the world. he handled it as a good sport by just admitting he didn't know and saying "oops""

I don't feel bad for him at all. I've done my share of public speaking, and its not like he was trying to explain a complex process or diagram. He was trying to state his own opinion on why government is so evil. Its clear that he only spews that nonsense to cater to tea party knuckle draggers. If you're running for president and are going to be on national tv, you should at least be competent enough to know your own beliefs.

if that were a normal interview he wouldn't be called back.

11/10/2011 12:19:49 AM

Americans will feel sorry for Perry and vote for him.

11/10/2011 12:35:13 AM

herman cain just kept shouting 999 at everything.

Romney / Gingrich won this round easily.

11/10/2011 1:25:53 AM

Yeah, I'm ready for the Gingrich surge. Newt4Prez!

11/10/2011 1:56:42 AM

I would love to see a romney/newt ticket ... fools would get shit done ... couldnt have a smarter person than newt (or anyone with better knowledge of the political landscape) or someone with more legitimacy as an exec/leader than romney.

I really support a full out reworking of congress, forcing 3 term limits for congress (one is too short, as there is too much knowledge needed to run some of our important committees), limiting reach, amendment for line item votes, full tax overhaul, campaign reform, stricter lobbying rules ... all that jazz...

... However, I dont think you get that by simply electing a president.

I think you need a new party committed to those ideals, all of which who sign legitimate contracts to uphold votes on those specific items, and then the punishment for not voting in line with those ideals would cause them to loose all a) benefits associate with public service, b)all wages earned via the assignment, c) forced to payback all monies donated to their campaigns through the new party

At that point, I think you can create an organized coup of congress as we know it, and eventually get people in there who are there to make this country better instead of serving their own personal interests.

You don't change things drastically by simply electing a president though ....

11/10/2011 8:47:34 AM

BREAKING: Candidate with terrible ideas down in the polls after freezing up while describing them.

11/10/2011 12:44:47 PM

that was embarrassing jesus hahaha. that's what he gets for trying to steal Ron Paul's good ideas

11/10/2011 1:07:02 PM

I despise Rick Perry for his policies and general lack of knowledge, but that gaff wasn't that big of a deal to me. He blanked out, big deal. It happens. Messiah BO has had them also. RP was horrible at debates before the gaff

11/10/2011 1:37:52 PM

If he's giving a speech on his views of the trade policies of some random third world country...sure, blank out. When your giving a speech about what you supposedly believe and is a cornerstone of your election...know your shit.

11/10/2011 1:41:07 PM

The best part of the GOP debates is The Daily Show the following day.

Perry fucked up, but he's been fucking up the last couple of debates. He's obviously retarded. Hopefully, America learned its lesson with Bush.

Rest of the candidates pay lip service to "free market principles", sensing that it's politically expedient to tap into a growing movement. Ron Paul is the only intellectual on stage and the only one with a record that indicates he'll actually follow through.

11/10/2011 3:16:45 PM

i dont support rick perry either

but bleh, make one little gaffe and it's the biggest fucking deal ever

ALL of us make mistakes..including the person who will ultimately be elected

11/10/2011 5:29:50 PM

haha at "one little mistake."

What do you call this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSJv-2qfDNc

11/10/2011 5:36:10 PM

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"i dont support rick perry either but bleh, make one little gaffe and it's the biggest fucking deal ever ALL of us make mistakes..including the person who will ultimately be elected"

It's not just a gaffe...it's that he clearly didn't know what he was talking about.

Republicans constantly berate Obama for being dependent on a teleprompter, which I believe is justified. A good President will have strong enough principles to not need a teleprompter. And, yet, Republicans keep falling for these guys that fail hard when it comes to speaking off the cuff and knowing what they believe.

11/10/2011 6:04:43 PM

Republicans also don't like it when Democrats have non-missionary sex with other women. But if you're a Republican, you can go straight to the cooter, and people will eat that shit up.

11/10/2011 6:32:33 PM

say what you want about rick perry and his ideas, but he knew in advance which three departments he wanted to cut. he momentarily forgot in the pressure of the debate.

i'm not sure what you mean by presidents needing enough "principle" to avoid using teleprompters, but i personally don't care if obama uses one. once you become president (and in many instances before) you aren't even writing your own speeches, anyway.

11/10/2011 9:33:46 PM

And that doesn't seem like a problem to you at all? That a President can't choose his own words?

11/10/2011 9:47:50 PM

If he really knew what he was talking about, he could have described the functions of the department until the precise word came to him. People sometimes forget a name, but he had no fucking clue.

11/10/2011 11:05:19 PM

It is NOT okay to excuse flat-out stupidity as a gaffe.

11/10/2011 11:09:53 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of61E1FesPU&feature=related

11/11/2011 12:05:14 AM

I was just hoping Ron Paul would make up some department names and see if Perry believed him.

11/11/2011 9:17:08 AM