C'mon guys we need to close the season out with three straight wins. It's time to take basketball seriously. We can get to 7-9 which gets us moving in the right direction to the middle of the conference.

2/26/2011 11:43:29 AM

i'm really torn right now. i like the way the team is playing (even though they're losing), and tracy smith isn't nearly as crucial as i expected him to be on this team.

but i also don't think lowe can really turn a corner. hmmm.

2/26/2011 2:28:42 PM

The new coach is going to have a lot of success with Lowe's players

2/26/2011 4:06:38 PM

Not trying to start some shit, but if we do end up 7-9 and win a few games in the ACCT, I could see Yow letting Sid finish his contract.

Lot of ifs

2/26/2011 4:18:47 PM

Didn't she try to fire gary williams?

2/26/2011 4:20:09 PM

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"The new coach is going to have a lot of success with Lowe's players"

yep

anyway you spin it, 15-13 5-9 is pathetic with our talent

2/26/2011 4:21:12 PM

You guys are the ones who bring nc state shit up all the time

It would qualify

2/26/2011 4:55:29 PM

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"anyway you spin it, 15-13 5-9 is pathetic with our talent"

Oddly reminiscent of UNC's season last year. Roy Williams is a hall of fame coach but he ended up in the shitter with an even more talented team last year.

2/26/2011 5:08:40 PM

Maybe, though there were obviously some extenuating circumstances (players who didn't want to be there most notably). Also, the situations are 100% different considering the two titles in five years. A bit more tolerance there.

2/26/2011 5:10:33 PM

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"Maybe, though there were obviously some extenuating circumstances (players who didn't want to be there most notably). Also, the situations are 100% different considering the two titles in five years. A bit more tolerance there. "

So two of their 5 recruits didn't really want to be there. So the fuck what. They still had 3 elite players who were 100% committed to playing at UNC. They also had Ed Davis, Tyler Zeller, Will Graves, Deon Thompson and Marcus Ginyard coming off the bench none of which was less that a 4* recruit.
That team was way the fuck more talented than this years NCSU team and a hall of fame coach who had just won two titles in a five year span couldn't get shit out of it. Sometimes there is more to it than coaching.

2/26/2011 5:34:11 PM

I appreciate the underlying message of what you are trying to do here, but that's just a weak ass argument.

Trying to draw parallels between UNC's and our program is about the worst idea ever. Know your audience.

2/26/2011 5:40:27 PM

^the logic in my parallel is solid, refute it if you can. Just saying "you shouldn't draw parallels because of the audience" is the very definition of a "weak ass argument".

2/26/2011 5:47:53 PM

the tl;dr essence of adder's previous post is true, and its:

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"Sometimes there is more to it than coaching."

2/26/2011 5:49:27 PM

^^ You go ahead and continue to compare our situation to UNC's last year. I'll be interested to see how many on this board buy that trifle. I'm guessing ^ one.

That argument only works if you have had sustained success in the past and had "one bad year" that was a fluke. Our situation is no fluke, adder.



[Edited on February 26, 2011 at 6:03 PM. Reason : .]

2/26/2011 6:00:19 PM

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"Didn't she try to fire gary williams?"

i believe those rumors started after people were complaining about gary's recruiting. there was an instance where maryland was recruiting kendall marshall and the marshall family basically felt like maryland didn't really care that much because he would just send his assistants to talk to them and that the whole process wasn't handled very professionally. there were a few other recruits that he let get away that people were getting mad about, so a lot of the fans have been calling for his head for a while.

2/26/2011 6:20:10 PM

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"That argument only works if you have had sustained success in the past and had "one bad year" that was a fluke."

You really have no understanding of the argument presented. I presented a factual situation in which a HOF coach experienced similar results with a higher level of talent. This was presented simply to point out that it might not be coaching (as it obviously wasn't in UNC's case). With this statement I am not making any assertion about Sidney Lowe's abilities as a coach (IF i was your response of "CHAMPIONSHIPS" would actually be relevant). I am simply presenting a very relevant example of how other factors outside of coaching can be more relevant towards the outcome of a given season.

[Edited on February 26, 2011 at 6:37 PM. Reason : Obviously didn't understand Tree's succinct version...]

2/26/2011 6:36:08 PM

last year's failure of a UNC team was definitely partly due to coaching. Roy did a terrible job with what he had.

2/26/2011 6:39:02 PM

If you're still trying to find excuses as if our problem might not be coaching, I don't know what to tell you...

2/26/2011 6:39:37 PM

Sidney Lowe is 10x the coach Roy Williams is!

2/26/2011 6:41:53 PM

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" So two of their 5 recruits didn't really want to be there. So the fuck what. They still had 3 elite players who were 100% committed to playing at UNC. They also had Ed Davis, Tyler Zeller, Will Graves, Deon Thompson and Marcus Ginyard coming off the bench none of which was less that a 4* recruit."

Here would be the excuses for Lowe on those players:

Davis - Sitting on the bench for committing an NCAA Violation. Not Sidney's fault
Zeller - OMG IF ONLY HE WASNT INJURED WE WOULD HAVE WON ALL OUR GAMES
Graves - high all the time, not sidney's fault
Thompson - Didn't show up his senior year, not sidney's fault
Ginyard - Shitty player, not sidney's fault

oh and don't forget...

Larry Drew II - Worst point guard in the history of basketball, how is sidney supposed to win in college without a point guard?!?!

For Roy he just fucked up. That's all there is to it. He came back this season and is 11-2 in the ACC

2/26/2011 6:58:13 PM

^how was any of this:

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"Here would be the excuses for Lowe on those players: Davis - Sitting on the bench for committing an NCAA Violation. Not Sidney's fault Zeller - OMG IF ONLY HE WASNT INJURED WE WOULD HAVE WON ALL OUR GAMES Graves - high all the time, not sidney's fault Thompson - Didn't show up his senior year, not sidney's fault Ginyard - Shitty player, not sidney's fault oh and don't forget... Larry Drew II - Worst point guard in the history of basketball, how is sidney supposed to win in college without a point guard?!?! For Roy he just fucked up. That's all there is to it. He came back this season and is 11-2 in the ACC"

relevant to the discussion at all??

So far the only one of you even attempted to respond to my statement of "sometimes there is more to it than coaching". The premise of that response? Roy Williams magically forgot how to coach last year and suddenly remembered how to again this year. Real great job on that one...

2/26/2011 7:17:50 PM

^ Hhahahahahaha....you're a fucking idiot. Hahahahahahaha. Love the optimism, man. Time to throw in the towel on the Sidney Lowe era. He can stay another year if we win the ACC tournament. BIG PICTURE ---------> No NCAA tournament appearances in 5 years. Goodbye.

2/26/2011 7:58:59 PM

Or 5 straight tournament appearances in 5 years. Goodbye.

2/26/2011 8:06:49 PM

^

[Edited on February 27, 2011 at 12:22 AM. Reason : more like 10 straight seasons with marginal results. goodby.e]

2/27/2011 12:22:06 AM

I think Zeller being injured last year for UNC was HUGE. Henson was more raw than Leslie was a freshmen. That UNC team has a decent shot at making the tourney with Zeller playing the whole year. That's pretty much us without Tracy for the whole year.

2/27/2011 10:36:46 AM

there's really no reason to try to shoehorn this team into a comparison w/ last years unc team.

2/27/2011 10:59:44 AM

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"I think Zeller being injured last year for UNC was HUGE. Henson was more raw than Leslie was a freshmen. That UNC team has a decent shot at making the tourney with Zeller playing the whole year. That's pretty much us without Tracy for the whole year."

That is bullshit. Zellar played 27 games for UNC last year. Tracy Smith has played 17 games this year (so far). Don't forget they also had the services of Ed Davis (played 23 games and averaged 13 and 10) and Deon Thompson (14 and 7).

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" there's really no reason to try to shoehorn this team into a comparison w/ last years unc team. "

A far more talented team had similar results with a HOF coach to deny how the situation could be comparable is idiotic. Really it simply comes down to.

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"Sometimes there is more to it than coaching."

2/27/2011 4:41:08 PM

2/27/2011 5:00:58 PM

i mean, are you going to do this for every single one of lowe's teams? b/c none of them have been good.

2/27/2011 5:42:55 PM

That would be pretty much irrelevant to the entire premise of the discussion considering the discussion was spawned from this statement.

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"anyway you spin it, 15-13 5-9 is pathetic with our talent"

A Hall of Fame coach getting about the same results, with superior talent, in the same fucking conference, is very good support for my statement.

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" Sometimes there is more to it than coaching."

2/27/2011 5:55:56 PM

a compilation of adder's posts on Sidney Lowe threads would make up the worst thread of all time and include a whole lot of

2/27/2011 6:34:47 PM

the other important thing is that most people would tolerate one bad year, or even a couple, but the fact is that unfortunately lowe has not produced anything yet. every coach will get the benefit of the doubt for one or two bad years, but only if they have shown success before those years. i mean, it's true, we can always give sid one more year to see if he can develop this talent, but he hasn't really shown the ability to pull it together so far.

i like him, but there is a difference between roy and sid.

2/27/2011 6:39:22 PM

^^

I shudder at the thought of such a thread.

2/27/2011 6:43:51 PM

I'm honestly not even sure what kind of post would satisfy him with the current discussion. Is anyone even trying to make a referendum on Lowe based on one season? Has anyone done that the entire five years even once?

Does he want to simply hear, "maybe coaching isn't the reason we have been a disappointment in this season, year five under Sidney Lowe?"

2/27/2011 6:44:24 PM

not to harp on the "didn't she want to fire Gary Williams" thing, but what if we win the ACC tourney and she fires him

2/27/2011 6:47:57 PM

I wouldn't care.

2/27/2011 6:49:49 PM

Nor would I. Getting hot for a few games in a row is honestly no more/less of an accomplishment than Herb's "NCAA streak."

I also wouldn't mind if he stayed around after that, either.

[Edited on February 27, 2011 at 6:51 PM. Reason : and dont take my post as saying a ncaa tourney championship is the same thing plz]

2/27/2011 6:50:39 PM

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Or 5 straight tournament appearances in 5 years. Goodbye.

Just wondering. Could you please inform me on what Herb did his first five years before those 5 years? Just wondering...

2/27/2011 11:52:52 PM

0 tourney appearances in his first 5 years

although people will tell you they are totally different circumstances!! Sid doesn't deserve the same amount of time as Herb because Herb > Les! And he went to Carnegie Mellon not some internet school!

honestly though, Sid did inherit a better team than Herb, I'm not gonna lie

however, the people who like to remind us of that fact also act like expectations were the same...when we hired Herb, we had zero expectations...when we hired Lowe, we had expectations of being able to hire Calipari and Barnes...not the same circumstances is right

2/27/2011 11:57:34 PM

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"Does he want to simply hear, "maybe coaching isn't the reason we have been a disappointment in this season, year five under Sidney Lowe?" "

Year five has nothing to do with the statement I made in response to this.

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"yep anyway you spin it, 15-13 5-9 is pathetic with our talent"

In fact I even said:

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" With this statement I am not making any assertion about Sidney Lowe's abilities as a coach (IF i was your response of "CHAMPIONSHIPS" would actually be relevant). I am simply presenting a very relevant example of how other factors outside of coaching can be more relevant towards the outcome of a given season."

At no point was I making a statement about anything but this season. I have said many times 5 years is enough and if Yow decides to make a coaching search at the end of the year I am ok with it. However it would be entertaining if he was allowed to finish his contract just to see all the gnashing of teeth and wailing.

2/28/2011 8:49:28 AM

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"However it would be entertaining if he was allowed to finish his contract just to see all the gnashing of teeth and wailing."

So you would rather have another year of shitty basketball so that you could be entertained by an overwhelming majority of NC State fans suffering?

Cool, dude.

2/28/2011 9:16:05 AM

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"However it would be entertaining if he was allowed to finish his contract just to see all the gnashing of teeth and wailing."

Yep...that sounds really entertaining.

2/28/2011 9:18:16 AM

^^don't lie, you'd love it!

2/28/2011 10:07:51 AM

I am 99% sure that the next coach will not satisfy boner either.

2/28/2011 10:43:00 AM

Satisfy boner.

2/28/2011 10:50:27 AM

An anonymous source has informed me that Monte Towe will be taking the Lakers job when Phil Jackson steps down this summer.

2/28/2011 12:59:44 PM

2/28/2011 1:07:02 PM

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"Richard Howell, Lorenzo Brown and Ryan Harrow have all made inquiries into transfers to other schools from State"

is this true?

2/28/2011 9:50:30 PM

^No idea...where is that from?

2/28/2011 9:53:10 PM

Of course it would be on their minds not knowing who their coach is going to be.

2/28/2011 9:53:51 PM