You have to establish a relationship first, before you can spend quality time with someone. Hence, the defaults. I'm not speaking for myself, rather it's my broad impression of the mindset of many men.

11/17/2009 4:09:37 PM

I don't see what's so bad about saying it if you really mean it. I like saying it, BUT, I refuse to say it to someone I don't truly have those feelings for.

11/17/2009 4:13:20 PM

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"Why would this bother you?"

Women are a lot like cars...

On the one hand, getting a new car is a really nice way to treat yourself. You know its full history and you're aware of all the bumps and scrapes it has suffered along the way. You also get the opportunity to break it in properly so you know it has been taken care of. The new car smell can also be considered as an added bonus.

On the other hand, sometimes you can get a nicer vehicle for the same price by buying a low mileage used model. In many cases this will actually save you a lot of headaches because the previous owners may have already worked out some of the manufacturer's defects for you.

The one thing you don't want to do, is spend a ton of money on a car with really high mileage. It's one thing to spend a couple thousand bucks on a beater car with 200,000 miles, but you don't want to make a serious commitment to it. A vehicle like this is likely to have a lot of problems and may be nearing the end of it's serviceable life. At some point that car is going to end up in the junkyard and you don't want to have a lot of time or money invested in it when that happens.

Catch my drift?

[Edited on November 17, 2009 at 4:16 PM. Reason : thus ends my admittedly terrible analogy.]

11/17/2009 4:15:04 PM

There isn't anything wrong with saying it, the point was that men feel compelled to say "I Love You" to women, because women enjoy hearing it regularly, even if they already know it to be true. Whereas men are less inclined to press the issue as long as they feel it. Again, I'm vastly generalizing here.

11/17/2009 4:23:14 PM

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"its heartbreaking to read that a beautiful, normal looking girl did all those things as a prostitute is this what all women are inside? whores?"

no, what's heartbreaking is that anytime a woman does anything that deviates sexual norms, the conversation breaks down into "but she was so pretty." anytime a woman is independent, the conversation breaks down into "but she was so pretty she could have any man she wanted take care of her." anytime a woman enjoys sex or uses sex in her favor while remaining independent the conversation breaks down into "but she was so pretty she could have any man she wanted take care of her; why'd she have to be such a slut?"

OMG WOMEN ARE PEOPLE??!?


and wtf, thread hijacked

11/18/2009 8:32:30 AM

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"Women are a lot like cars... On the one hand, getting a new car is a really nice way to treat yourself. You know its full history and you're aware of all the bumps and scrapes it has suffered along the way. You also get the opportunity to break it in properly so you know it has been taken care of. The new car smell can also be considered as an added bonus. On the other hand, sometimes you can get a nicer vehicle for the same price by buying a low mileage used model. In many cases this will actually save you a lot of headaches because the previous owners may have already worked out some of the manufacturer's defects for you. The one thing you don't want to do, is spend a ton of money on a car with really high mileage. It's one thing to spend a couple thousand bucks on a beater car with 200,000 miles, but you don't want to make a serious commitment to it. A vehicle like this is likely to have a lot of problems and may be nearing the end of it's serviceable life. At some point that car is going to end up in the junkyard and you don't want to have a lot of time or money invested in it when that happens. Catch my drift?"

I can't imagine what point you're trying to make other than "a woman's worth is inversely proportional to the number of men she's fucked (besides me)".

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"OMG WOMEN ARE PEOPLE??!?"

Wait they're not like cars, with "mileage"? You mean to say women are people who are capable of being interested in sex for the same reasons I am???

[Edited on November 18, 2009 at 8:44 AM. Reason : .]

11/18/2009 8:43:34 AM

^ yeah...so?

11/18/2009 8:45:13 AM

11/18/2009 9:18:46 AM

slutty girl who's banged 50 guys = bad decision-making, immaturity, lack of foresight, lack of commitment, etc

I admit I do have a double standard on this in terms of men vs women

11/18/2009 9:46:12 AM

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"slutty girl who's banged 50 guys = bad decision-making, immaturity, lack of foresight, lack of commitment, etc I admit I do have a double standard on this in terms of men vs women "

sup guys just holding women to standards that give them a warped view of their own sexuality

no big deal, lemme post an emoticon

11/18/2009 9:47:00 AM

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"Yes, they assume we all want the huge house on the hill, covered in jewelry, with as much designer clothes as we can handle and no job, all the while married to a man we can barely stand - only because he's got that dough. "

I don't think this is all women, and all the women who do it I do not believe are doing so intentionally. However, I think more women do this than would admit to it.

Women often times say they want a man who is "secure". I have heard this euphemism used under numerous occasions. In this use of the word women are saying that they want a husband with a good job (read: who has a decent amount of money) so that they don't have to worry about things (read: not have to live frugally and maintain an expected standard of living).

What this means is that when the choice comes between two men that how much money they have or could potentially have is a factor that comes into play. rarely is this the case when men are evaluating women as potential mates. so while you may not love men for their money, the money they made is partially why you do fall in love with them.

now, this all reaches a point of depreciating returns. there is a certain point where if a guy has an acquired amount of potential value that another prospect with means would seem only marginally better in that regard and thus would not suffice the former gentleman to lose his perceived status.

11/18/2009 11:18:06 AM

thank you skack

what are women valued for:
1. child bearing
2. sex
3. cooking/cleaning
4. relationship/love

1,2, & 4 are severely hindered by a woman with a slutty background, why?

1. either she has many kids or she takes birth control making her womb a chemical cocktail
2. her vagina is worn out, diseased, & in need of regular maintenance
4. too many guys in her past, too many mixed emotions, too used to sex,
thats like dating a former drug addict, they are always vulnrable to relapse, same here

11/18/2009 11:39:31 AM

So apparently if I don't want to marry a chick who has fucked thousands of dudes for money, that means I have confidence issues with my own self

k

11/18/2009 11:41:12 AM

by the way i consider slutty as someone who sleeps with 10 or more guys

50 or more is sex addict

11/18/2009 11:41:18 AM

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"what are women valued for: 1. child bearing 2. sex 3. cooking/cleaning 4. relationship/love"

wow

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"1. either she has many kids or she takes birth control making her womb a chemical cocktail"

Is BC linked to birth defects in any statistically significant way? Legit question.

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"2. her vagina is worn out, diseased, & in need of regular maintenance"

Having a multitude of partners doesn't "wear out" a vagina; if anything, frequency of sex would (depending on the attributes of the partner as well). Do you even think shit through or is this a troll? Feel free to PM me the answer if you wanna maintain that bad boy TWW swagger

11/18/2009 12:06:09 PM

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"but we know that women have a mothering instinct and they need men to achieve offspring"

yea i don't know when those instincts kick in.

11/18/2009 2:22:13 PM

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"what are women valued for: 1. child bearing 2. sex 3. cooking/cleaning 4. relationship/love 1,2, & 4 are severely hindered by a woman with a slutty background, why? 1. either she has many kids or she takes birth control making her womb a chemical cocktail 2. her vagina is worn out, diseased, & in need of regular maintenance 4. too many guys in her past, too many mixed emotions, too used to sex, thats like dating a former drug addict, they are always vulnrable to relapse, same here"

people are ends, not means.

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"Is BC linked to birth defects in any statistically significant way? Legit question."

no

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"yea i don't know when those instincts kick in."

inorite. i'm mostly repulsed by children.

11/18/2009 9:15:54 PM

so how many guys does a girl have to sleep with before being labeled a slut?

11/18/2009 9:20:50 PM

QFT

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"So apparently if I don't want to marry a chick who has fucked thousands of dudes for money, that means I have confidence issues with my own self k"

11/18/2009 9:23:12 PM

Just because she has good compression does not mean you're not going to run into trouble. Sometimes the constant nickle and dime stuff is worse than a major catastrophe that can be fixed and forgotten. It's better to spend one weekend on the side of the road than every weekend in the garage if you know what I mean.

11/28/2009 2:42:35 AM

i was gonna say this is the stupidest thread i've ever read.... but then i saw it was from lafta, and i remembered a shit ton of equally stupid threads made by this clown.

so, maybe not the stupidest thread ive ever read, but i think this line here

Quote :

" -- [women are valued for] sex -- [but a sexually active woman's] vagina is worn out, diseased, & in need of regular maintenance"

shows that not only is lafta one the stupidest fuckwits to grace these forums, but is clear evidence that he's never been laid in his life, and will wind up marrying the first girl to give him a handjob.







[Edited on November 28, 2009 at 3:07 AM. Reason : ]

11/28/2009 3:05:57 AM

as long as I get off, i dont give a shit how many guys she's been with (as long as she's clean)

i think guys in this thread are trying to compare girls they fall in love with.... vs girls who are good for fucking.


and not that it should matter either way.


FUCK BITCHES, GET MONEY

11/28/2009 3:12:37 AM

Quote :

""Well, perhaps I'm the sort of person apt to do something for no good reason other than I can't think of a reason not to." "

lol.. skank

11/28/2009 3:14:31 AM

lol

Also I think that if male prostitutes were more common, their clients would be more frowned upon then the prostitutes themselves. Just the world we live in.

[Edited on November 28, 2009 at 3:19 AM. Reason : a]

11/28/2009 3:16:58 AM

Lack of male prostitutes is simply a result of supply/demand. Why would a girl pay for a male prostitute when she could just go to a bar, get free drinks all night, and get laid for free too? It's like financing a Honda after your parents already bought you a new BMW.

I'm really cracking up on all these bad car analogies I've been making. Hope y'all don't take them too seriously.

[Edited on November 28, 2009 at 3:37 AM. Reason : l]

11/28/2009 3:36:55 AM

ehe


when did sexual partners equate to emotional connection?
are we still living with the idea that sexual gratification = love?



give me a relationship with a real connection.
and connection DOES NOT equal good sex or even emotional sex.
actually a real connection doesn't involve sex at all.
if you don't know what i'm talking about, then you haven't experienced it.



besides, in the end it all comes down to friendship.



[Edited on November 28, 2009 at 9:19 AM. Reason : just my $.02. i tend not to take sex more than it's worth-a means of instant gratification ]

11/28/2009 9:18:10 AM

this connection is important.

But I think for the vast majority of people you need sexual compatability too.


You may be in love with a person, but if he/she cant sexually please you it makes it hard not to find another person who will.


And a lot of this happens in marriages. One spouse loves their husband/wife but isnt pleasured sexually by them so they seek someone else on the side.

So to say

Quote :

"when did sexual partners equate to emotional connection"

lacks real thought into human behavior

11/28/2009 9:22:37 AM

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"need sexual compatibility too"

granted you're right, but what is "compatibility?"

is it so that when you look into their eyes you know you are "making love".
or is it the gratification part.

b/c making love is where the connection comes in.

Quote :

"You may be in love with a person, but if he/she cant sexually please you it makes it hard not to find another person who will. "

this sounds like a mental problem on the person who is not getting "pleased".
seriously-how can you not get off during sex. (unless there is some crazy circumstance like rape)
im a believer that something else is going on.
and i would hope it wouldn't have anything to do with past partners.


i only see two real types.
those who wait until marriage and those who don't.
so if you have a problem with someone having sex with 50+ guys then i hope you have a probelm with someone who's had sex with 3 guys prior.



and if you having sex is the only way you can really have that "connection" (i dont know what way to put it)-i am sorry.




like i said...this is my two cents.

[Edited on November 28, 2009 at 9:33 AM. Reason : dsfds]


[Edited on November 28, 2009 at 9:35 AM. Reason : i use the term "you" just as perspective, of course im not referring to you ]

11/28/2009 9:30:06 AM

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"and if you having sex is the only way you can really have that connection-i am sorry"

No one's said that.

For example: Lets say this man and women meet and they fall in love ( this bogus notion of love at first sight romanticized by movies and literature ). They decide to have sex at some point in their relationship. The man is displeased with the women but thinks she'll improve with time..... let me digress a bit

Quote :

"seriously-how can you not get off during sex"

... its more common than you think especially if you have one experienced person and one that is not... or is naturally not good at sex or isnt equipped to satisfy his/her partner for whatever reason

... back to the example... 3 years have passed and the wife cannot please her man. The man is sexually frustrated but doesnt want to hurt his wife ( and you may have some instances where the couple expresses this to each other, but at this point he has and they're trying to work on it but nothing has improved and the man doesnt want to hurt her feelings so he tells her she has ).

Now, we delve into human behavior. The man will most likely rationalize cheating on his wife with the notion that (sex/= love)....

Quote :

"are we still living with the idea that sexual gratification = love "

... he cheats on his wife and is satisfied sexually but is still in love with her.

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"im a believer that something else is going on. and i would hope it wouldn't have anything to do with past partners."

nothing else is going on. It's quite simple. Sexual compatability is key to a healthy relationship.

[Edited on November 28, 2009 at 9:52 AM. Reason : x]

11/28/2009 9:51:41 AM

oo well lookie here nc86 is our own little aristotle

11/28/2009 9:54:53 AM

i see your logic.
and it makes sense....but at the same time i can't follow it.
(there's a lot of "what ifs" in there)


i guess what it boils down to is ive been in relationships where the sex was mehhhh and others where it was awesome.
and the awesome sex did nothing for me.
sure it was cool, but i liked the other relationships better.


so, im not trying to argue one way or another except this:

Quote :

"t's quite simple. Sexual compatability is key to a healthy relationship."

honestly does not apply to me.

hell i dated someone who had an STD, a serious one. (no we did not have sex-and that is not the reason we broke up...and no i don't have it)
aha i hope i don't regret releasing that nugget of my life to you guys ahaha

[Edited on November 28, 2009 at 10:09 AM. Reason : its just me ]

[Edited on November 28, 2009 at 10:11 AM. Reason : ok i gotta study now....for reals]

11/28/2009 10:07:56 AM

Quote :

"What this means is that when the choice comes between two men that how much money they have or could potentially have is a factor that comes into play. rarely is this the case when men are evaluating women as potential mates."

Yeah, which just shows how stupid guys are. Why are they more concerned about how she looks than her ability to bring money in instead of mooching? Maybe because they'd rather have someone who has to depend on them to get the things they want?

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"this sounds like a mental problem on the person who is not getting "pleased". seriously-how can you not get off during sex. "

There are plenty of women who won't give blowjobs, or guys who won't go down, and plenty of people who have kinks and even more people who don't have kinks or matching preferences in sex. I will no longer date a guy who's not into the same things I am in sex. And I definitely will never date a guy who likes to be dominated.

11/28/2009 10:08:20 AM

Marry me

[Edited on November 28, 2009 at 10:10 AM. Reason : just kidding..... or am i ? ]

11/28/2009 10:10:42 AM

wait, your not talking to me

ahahahhahaha my bad


ok, im REALLLLY gonna go study now


everyone play nice



[Edited on November 28, 2009 at 10:13 AM. Reason : ]

11/28/2009 10:12:17 AM