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Just found this on twitter trending topics and digg

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" 10 Ways the Apple iPad will change your life 1) You'll never have to watch crappy in-flight movies again. 2) You'll get to leave your laptop at home more often. 3) No more cruising the books section at Costco. 4) You won't have to bring your chess set with you anymore. 5) You'll put even more of your life into "the cloud". 6) Using the toilet will never be the same. 7) You won't have to lug a piano around to earn a second income. 8) You will need to start carrying a bag again, or get pants with bigger pockets. 9) No more bundling newspapers for recycling day. 10) You'll become a different kind of couch potato. "

There is nothing here that the iPaq does better than a laptop, except fit into obnoxious super-cargo pants for geeks.

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1/27/2010 5:07:27 PM

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"seriously this is the mentality that because it's an Apple product it must be good. take a step back, i really don't think this is a great device. sure it has potential because dev's see Apple as a money tree they develop for and they have 20 million iPhone users as customers, but the features and service on this device is lackluster."

No this the mentality of "I have no idea what I want, I can't tell you what I actually want, so instead I'll pick apart the specs".

Look, Amazon's had no problem selling the Kindle DX for $489. eBook readers have been selling well for 250-300. That whole category of devices is eclipsed by the iPad, at least for this generation.

Netbooks have dominated the mobile market because consumers DONT NEED more. eBooks, netbooks, nettops, and now this tablet are in an entirely different market segment: consumer entertainment.

It's very apparent most of you guys don't get it. This is not a power-user device. This is not a mobile workstation. It's not a HTPC. It's for CASUAL technology users. Which very few, if any, of the people in this thread are. Most of us are early adopters, enthusiasts, and technophiles.

It's okay, just wait and see.

1/27/2010 5:08:02 PM

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"It's very apparent most of you guys don't get it. This is not a power-user device. This is not a mobile workstation. It's not a HTPC. It's for CASUAL technology users. Which very few, if any, of the people in this thread are. Most of us are early adopters, enthusiasts, and technophiles."

Thats what I've been trying to say.

1/27/2010 5:09:36 PM

I just want to point out : there are a few STATES without 3G coverage by ATT.

1/27/2010 5:12:06 PM

I know what the hell I want and it's not another $800 device that does stuff half-assed.

Yes, the general audience will eat this crap up, but it doesn't make it a good device. The lenovo hybrid seems like much better of a solution, they just don't have the fanboi and general public reputation that Apple has. It's purely marketing.

You also know the news sources aren't going to publish much negative commentary on the matter as they need eReaders to catch on so they can survive.

1/27/2010 5:12:42 PM

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"The lenovo hybrid seems like much better of a solution, they just don't have the standard of quality of other manufacturers. fanboi and general public reputation that Apple has. It's purely marketing."

fixed for ya, you're welcome!

1/27/2010 5:18:13 PM

i think we're both right.

1/27/2010 5:23:56 PM

n/m

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 5:26 PM. Reason : double post]

1/27/2010 5:24:18 PM

after thoroughly reading everything, there is no way this device is worth to me what they are charging.

I suppose I can see it for other people since everyone has different needs/wants, so I'm not saying its not worth it period. But with a laptops, a phone with a data plan, a desktop, etc. I can't think of hardly any uses I would get from this. I would never use it at home with the laptops, desktop, etc. that I have around. As far as being out and about, its a little too big for me to carry if I am not actually PLANNING on using it. I'd be just fine using my phone in those cases. When I am actually planning to be out somewhere where I want internet access, I just bring my laptop which has more space and is more powerful than this.

I guess if I have racked my brain and thought of very few niche uses for it, then I am just not the targeted audience. /shrug

Maybe after it has been out for a bit and people figure out what to do with it and how to develop for it then I might see some cool uses popping up. I'll keep my eye out for that, but for now I'll pass.

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 5:26 PM. Reason : ]

1/27/2010 5:25:00 PM

I think it will have a big wow factor, because up until now all the cool apps have been on a 3.5" iPhone/ipod screen. Now with a 10" screen everything will be more accessible in terms of passing it around, showing people photos/videos, playing chess, etc etc.

1/27/2010 5:31:51 PM

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"they just don't have the fanboi and general public reputation that Apple has"

The reputation of Apple is mostly positive because they do make good products for the most part. Of course they're not perfect, they are prone to problems, but most importantly they're slick and pretty to look at. IMO that goes a long way with the general public. This is a GOOD thing to have.

Combine that with their effective marketing and you can't lose.

Their products don't cater to everyones needs obviously, but when they do, they do it well. I can see the iPad being very successful for a couple reasons. It might not work for you and I but thats because we have different requirements for our personal computing needs than most people.

- its tiny, very slick, and nice to look at.

- its got a amazing stand-by battery life, meaning you can just leave this thing laying around your coffee table for weeks at a time without being concerned about plugging it in or lugging around a power adapter around the house.

- it does everything you need it to do if you're general computer needs involve checking email, surfing the web, getting the latest news, chat with friends, etc.

- Would be great in a plane or on the road for watching movies because its a much bigger screen than an ipod/iphone yet a lot smaller and less annoying to pull out than a laptop in a moving car or airplane. I don't know about you but I find it awkward using my laptop in a car. I also find it a bit uncomfortable using it in an airplane (economy class) because you can never get the screen at the right angle because the table is so tiny that it hits the back of the seat in front of you. If its on your lap its far too close to type comfortably especially if you're sitting next to a whale.


Of course this doesn't apply to everyone but it does appeal to a lot of people out there.

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"I just bring my laptop which has more space and is more powerful than this."

This is true, but if i'm out and all I'm going to do on my laptop is check email, surf the web, etc...isn't all that power overkill?

One reason why I never looked into netbooks is because I actually need the extra performance and screen space. I'm usually working on some project any chance I get.

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 5:40 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2010 5:37:06 PM

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"I think it will have a big wow factor, because up until now all the cool apps have been on a 3.5" iPhone/ipod screen. Now with a 10" screen everything will be more accessible in terms of passing it around, showing people photos/videos, playing chess, etc etc."

but who's going to carry a 10" device around with them TO pass it around?

1/27/2010 5:41:39 PM

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"The lenovo hybrid seems like much better of a solution, they just don't have the fanboi and general public reputation that Apple has. It's purely marketing. You also know the news sources aren't going to publish much negative commentary on the matter as they need eReaders to catch on so they can survive."

The lenovo hybrid will be double the price. You can always make a better solution with double the cost. And so far, there's pretty balanced commentary from everywhere I've been reading. It's not the end-all-be-all, but it seems like a pretty good device for its audience.

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"I just want to point out : there are a few STATES without 3G coverage by ATT."

Montana, North and South Dakota, Wyoming and Maine. That's a bit different than not having coverage in the top 10 urban areas in the country ala Cricket.

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"but who's going to carry a 10" device around with them TO pass it around?"

The same people who carry around their Kindles, netbooks and macbooks. This is a leisure device, so I imagine the vast majority of usage is in the home, or on extended trips. For people who live in urban areas with hour bus rides to and from work every day (this is an audience of MILLIONS), this is the perfect leisure device. Ever tried using a laptop or netbook on a bus? It's a bitch.

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 5:45 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2010 5:42:41 PM

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"It's very apparent most of you guys don't get it. This is not a power-user device. This is not a mobile workstation. It's not a HTPC. It's for CASUAL technology users. Which very few, if any, of the people in this thread are. Most of us are early adopters, enthusiasts, and technophiles."

It's an "if only the iPod Touch were 3 times larger" device.

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"Montana, North and South Dakota, Wyoming and Maine. That's a bit different than not having coverage in the top 10 urban areas in the country ala Cricket."

If by "urban centers" you mean "areas where the network is overtaxed and works poorly because of it" then yes, AT&T absolutely kills them in that regard.

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 5:46 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2010 5:44:19 PM

^not quite. The iWork app is a good example of it not being just a bigger iPod touch. The iWork app specifically might be useless to anyone using the iPad but it demonstrates the sort of apps that could be effective on this device that wouldn't be nearly as effective on an iPod.

1/27/2010 5:46:39 PM

I dont know the first thing about cricket. The last time i was at the beach (wilmington) the iphone sucked. The last time i was in the mtns of NC the iphone sucked. It took me ~5 minutes to get a sports bet in over edge.

I think most users would prefer to use the VZ network with their 3G apple product(s) (ipad and iphone). Is that flawed?

1/27/2010 5:47:32 PM

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"I think most users would prefer to use the VZ network with their 3G apple product(s) (ipad and iphone). Is that flawed?"

I think you missed the point...had all this been reversed and VZ held the exclusive contract then we'd all be singing the same tune, how VZ sucks and wish it were on AT&T because their 3G is faster and isn't hosed all the time, blah blah blah.

1/27/2010 5:48:55 PM

I cant imagine anyone selling a service to someone worse then edge. It sounds like something out of a cable versus directv commercial. A MILLION EIGHTY P

1/27/2010 5:50:15 PM

hmmm last year I thought a tablet would be cool. "I'd be writing notes that I could search? Sweet."

Then I thought, well, without a keyboard I could do almost zero actual word processing like writing papers or reports for the office (unless the "virtual keyboard" is a lot better than most). "If I can't work on it, fuck it."

But then people in this thread made good points about how this would really be a mobile entrainment device, not a workstation. So I am thinking they are cool again. "Take board games, books, movies, and music *anywhere* in a single slim container? Alright!"

But, then I remembered that Apple was making it. So it's probably going to cost me an extra $1,000 bucks just to have the privilege of owning a device that duplicates barely half the functionality of my IBM Thinkpad X30. "FUCK YOU VERY MUCH, STEVE JOBS!!"



[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 5:58 PM. Reason : Apple is the Establishment, Kids.]

1/27/2010 5:55:01 PM

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"The iWork app is a good example of it not being just a bigger iPod touch. The iWork app specifically might be useless to anyone using the iPad but it demonstrates the sort of apps that could be effective on this device that wouldn't be nearly as effective on an iPod."

The iWork suite would be just as effective on the iPod Touch as the iPad if you took the Touch and said "make it 3 times bigger".

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 5:56 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2010 5:55:17 PM

Just dropping into the thread to state the obvious:

This thing is a steaming pile of doo doo.

1/27/2010 5:57:38 PM

ok? so if you make the iPod touch into an iPad it would be just as effective? So i guess it does have unique features after all. (in comparison to the iPod Touch)

1/27/2010 5:57:52 PM

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"But, then I remembered that Apple was making it. So it's probably going to cost me an extra $1,000 bucks just to have the privilege of owning a device that duplicates barely half the functionality of my IBM Thinkpad X30 that I bought for much much less. "FUCK YOU, STEVE JOBS!!""

lol wat?

1/27/2010 5:58:47 PM

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"The lenovo hybrid will be double the price."

Nope, it's going to be $1000 also.

Also, I know I'm a fanboy, but what's the basis for these jabs I see at Lenovo quality? Experience? The many Lenovo products I've used have all been rock solid and superior performers. Maybe I'm just lucky.

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 6:00 PM. Reason : ]

1/27/2010 6:00:46 PM

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"but who's going to carry a 10" device around with them TO pass it around? "

Haven't you noticed you have to be carrying a messenger bag around these days to be cool?

on a side note:

Will the 64 gig iPad be forever known as the heavy flow model?

1/27/2010 6:01:08 PM

^^yea, i dunno, their ideapads are hit or miss i know, but their thinkpads seem to be just fine and dandy, no issues here either.

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"Nope, it's going to be $1000 also."

the 16GB non-3G iPad is $499, although to be fair you have to price the 3G version ($630) because if comparing to the Ideapad U1, it has 3G, so the iPad is only 37% less

at least for $370 you get a full featured laptop in addition to a slate, along with Windows 7 on the laptop

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 6:05 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2010 6:02:22 PM

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"ok? so if you make the iPod touch into an iPad it would be just as effective? So i guess it does have unique features after all. (in comparison to the iPod Touch)"

You said "The iWork app is a good example of it not being just a bigger iPod touch." Now you're agreeing with me that the iPad is essentially just a larger iPod Touch.

Honestly, trying to deny that fact is bordering on lunacy. It's like saying the 17" MacBook isn't the same thing as a 15" MacBook that had a screen that was two inches bigger.

1/27/2010 6:05:27 PM

^^ Ah, I see.

Actually that's an important clarification: the Lenovo hybrid will be an IdeaPad. It will not have ThinkVantage pedigree.

1/27/2010 6:10:46 PM

The iPad is essentially a larger iPod Touch, but this is a meaningful distinction for a device like this.

The workings of the touch interface are going to be different on the smaller, lower-res screen, vs. the larger higher res screen.

If you look at the video, some of the UI decisions on the iPad would never work on an iPod Touch sized device.

I don't know if this has been noted, but McGraw-Hill is humorously absent from the list of partner publishers.

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 6:16 PM. Reason : ]

1/27/2010 6:14:25 PM

Some of the UI decisions on the iPod Touch/iPhone don't work on iPod Touch sized devices, so that's nothing new either.

1/27/2010 6:16:36 PM

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"Some of the UI decisions on the iPod Touch/iPhone don't work on iPod Touch sized devices, so that's nothing new either."

like what?

1/27/2010 6:20:20 PM

Typing. Impossible on the iPod Touch. Way too small, constantly hitting the wrong letters. Useless.

1/27/2010 6:22:15 PM

learn to type? I don't have small hands but I find typing on the iPhone a lot easier than typing on any other phone I've had.

1/27/2010 6:22:54 PM

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"Typing. Impossible on the iPod Touch. Way too small, constantly hitting the wrong letters. Useless."

Really? I can type on my iPhone faster than most of my friends can touch type on a standard keyboard.

1/27/2010 6:31:41 PM

I would estimate that I type 70 words per minute at least.

The keys on the touchscreen are FAR too small to be useful.

1/27/2010 6:31:47 PM

^I type around 120 on the normal keyboard. I'm sure i can type 50-60 on the iPhone keyboard.

1/27/2010 6:36:34 PM

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"The keys on the touchscreen are FAR too small to be useful."

You do realize that the keys are one of the biggest on any device of that size. I mean hell, each key is like 3 times the size of some blackberry physical keys not to mention they're clear as can be. I can't even tell what key is what with a quick glance at a blackberry keyboard because there are too many characters/symbols per key.

1/27/2010 6:41:14 PM

^ Oh, I believe you. Not doubting that it has biggest keys for a handheld device.

I'm saying they're still too finicky for me to get anything done.

Of course I get very little practice. I despise blackberrys and will do everything I can to never have one. I'm the guy who buys the cheapest, simplest phone he can find.

1/27/2010 6:47:02 PM

just watched the video... it is smoking. I know a bunch of yall on here are "power users" but you have to realize most people in this world do 3 things: check mail, browse and look at pics. this does all that w/ a awesome interface. I think of my mom (who I will buy one for) this pretty much eliminates the need for her to have a desktop.

1/27/2010 6:48:22 PM

Troll?

1/27/2010 6:48:57 PM

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"^ Oh, I believe you. Not doubting that it has biggest keys for a handheld device. I'm saying they're still too finicky for me to get anything done. Of course I get very little practice. I despise blackberrys and will do everything I can to never have one. I'm the guy who buys the cheapest, simplest phone he can find."

I can totally understand your qualms with the keyboard if its physical keyboard vs. on screen. That does take some getting used to. For the size of the device, the keyboard is very effective...you can't exactly have a keyboard bigger than the device.

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"just watched the video... it is smoking. I know a bunch of yall on here are "power users" but you have to realize most people in this world do 3 things: check mail, browse and look at pics. this does all that w/ a awesome interface. I think of my mom (who I will buy one for) this pretty much eliminates the need for her to have a desktop."

After watching the video on apple's website, I am more excited about this...it was just meh when looking at it in still photos on engadget. But now I can definitely see its success with the casual internet users. I do love the interface and slick animations for the multi-touch.

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 7:09 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2010 6:58:21 PM

don't know if I should get the 3g + wifi or wifi version only

1/27/2010 7:18:27 PM

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"Now you're agreeing with me that the iPad is essentially just a larger iPod Touch. Honestly, trying to deny that fact is bordering on lunacy. It's like saying the 17" MacBook isn't the same thing as a 15" MacBook that had a screen that was two inches bigger."

There's a completely different interaction with a 3" input area, versus a 10" area. It's nothing at all like comparing the 17" to 15" Macbooks. The SCREEN is not the input device on laptops. The keyboard and trackpad are, however, exactly the same size.

You don't get the difference between display and input, or the thresholds where a designed experience no longer works.

The 2ft vs 10ft experience is a great case study of this. The proliferation of Media Center, Xbox, and multifunction entertainment systems proved that changing the scale of the display has a threshold before it becomes unusable. As a result, you also have to rethink the interaction story, because the same thresholds exist for input devices.

1/27/2010 7:21:19 PM

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"Will the 64 gig iPad be forever known as the heavy flow model?"

Or the Max iPad ...... maxipad

1/27/2010 7:24:13 PM

This thing is a huge steaming pile of smoke and mirrors. It is not a game changer, nor is it anything revolutionary. We all just got iPhone 3GS'd all over again.


It is the EVOLUTIONARY next step for the iPhone platform, but the problem with Apple is that they haven't done any of the hardware work to make the iPhone and its platform push the envelope. Bigger screen is expected. Lack of camera is not.


It's not something people HAVE to have - like a cell phone. That's one of the reasons the iPhone did so well: People have to have cell phones in today's world. It's easier to make that cognitive and monetary leap to the iPhone because it's a better device.


The iPad is a LUXURY device being released in a recession. How many people do you know with a Kindle? I know thousands of people, hundreds of which are technophiles. I know 2 people who own a Kindle (or any ebook reader, for that matter). The market penetration for ebook readers is tiny, contrary to what Amazon would tell you (they say the Kindle has outsold the iPhone, which is absolute horse shit).


The casual user doesn't drop $300 on a netbook now, so why would they drop $500 on a less-functional iPad, especially when they aren't even carrier subsidized? This entire product announcement stinks of Apple complacency.

1/27/2010 7:26:22 PM

i'm getting it just so i will look cool

1/27/2010 7:30:19 PM

^^ people said the EXACT same thing about the iPod/iPhone when they were released.

You’re missing the big picture.

1/27/2010 7:40:11 PM

^^^ I don't know many people with a kindle, but I do know a whole bunch of people who have a GPS, a portable DVD player, and iPod and a hand held video game platform and they they take all of them with them on car rides with the kids. This one device would satisfy all of those.

The potential is there for this to become a really great device with new use cases. There's also plenty of potential for it to become a "hobby" a la AppleTV. It's all dependent on whether people can envision uses for portable computing power that isn't a computer.

^

Bingo, I bet if you dig through the iPhone thread, you'll find at least one person saying:

"I already have a phone, I already have an iPod, I already have a laptop/netbook. No 3G, less space than an iPod. Lame."

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 7:47 PM. Reason : asdf]

1/27/2010 7:42:39 PM

so, have the fanboys started the circle-jerk yet?

I'll bet this tablet does half of the shit all the other tablets do, for twice the price as the others. But, Apple will market the hell out of it, and people won't care.

1/27/2010 7:49:16 PM

I'm an Apple fan and owner of multiple Apple products but before this thing even came out I was thinking to myself, the total lack of a need for this kind of a device is so obvious that there's no way Apple could not see it so they must have something up their sleeve that's going to make this thing fill a niche in ways that I'm just not seeing, but no, it turned out to be exactly what I imagined and less

1/27/2010 7:49:34 PM