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salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
The vast majority of Americans want the U.S. government to stop illegal immigration, yet little to nothing is done about the problem, demonstrating that the U.S. government is not controlled by the people of the United States...but rather by special interests (ie, the forces that own the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank). These forces are encouraging illegal immigration to weaken America and its people.
Time Magazine recently reported that 3 MILLION people are entering the United States illegally each year. The people here illegally are largely unskilled, and work for wages much less than Americans will work. This drives down wages and forces American citizens out of jobs. On top of this, American citizens are paying BILLIONS of dollars in taxes to subsidize this invasion, paying for the medical care, education, and other costs of illegal immigrants.
Many illegal immigrants are overtly hostile to the United States. A large number of Mexican immigrants believe that large portions of the American Southwest (sometimes referred to as "Aztlan") rightfully belong to Mexico, and they intend to recapture these lands for Mexico. This is being accomplished by massive legal and illegal immigration into these parts of the Sothwest. As the Mexican population of several Southwestern states inscreases, it is likely that these states may one day may succeed from the United States, or at the very least attempt to do so, causing great turmoil in the nation and inflaming racial hostility and unrest.
Now, to address a few of the arguments of those who argue in favor of this massive illegal immigration. Yes, these people are here for a "better life" and many of them may be "hard-working"...but they are not "law-abiding". They are CRIMINALS. Illegal aliens are criminals because they are breaking the law of the United States by being in this country illegally.
As for the notion that we need these people here to do "jobs Americans won't do." This argument is false. Americans did the various jobs that illegal aliens now do, including once well-paying construction and manufacturing jobs, long before illegal immigrants flooded the country. For instance, manufacturing jobs that once paid $15-20/hr are now being taken over by illegal immigrants who are doing the same job for $9-10/hr. American citizens doing such work have lost their jobs to illegal immigrants because they can't survive on the heavily reduced wages, while the illegal immigrant (who lives 20 to a house) can.
If America had a government that represented the people, as opposed to a government controlled by forces behind the Federal Reserve advancing global government, this problem would have never gotten this bad. Our laws against being in the country illegally should be enforced. Illegal aliens should be promptly deported, thus depriving foreigners of the incentive to try to enter the country illegally.
The American Dream Slipping Away from the Middle Class http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_10399.shtml
[Edited on October 26, 2004 at 10:52 AM. Reason : --] 10/26/2004 10:33:58 AM |
packguy381 All American 32719 Posts user info edit post |
Ok
Salisburyboy is really Vernon Robinson.
I solved the mystery. 10/26/2004 10:34:36 AM |
supercracker All American 7023 Posts user info edit post |
10/26/2004 10:35:30 AM |
Honkeyball All American 1684 Posts user info edit post |
Like it or not... His posts always have the best formatted Subject lines. 10/26/2004 10:35:33 AM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The American Dream Slipping Away from the Middle Class
Commentary by Frosty Wooldridge October 25, 2004
In 1979, American meat packing plant workers earned $17.10 per hour with benefits doing the jobs that Americans, today, reportedly, “won’t do.” In 2004, illegal aliens fill the same jobs at $9.00 an hour with no benefits. They work the jobs that Americans won’t do! Because of indentured servitude wages, they also live 20 to a house and park five cars to a yard!
However, they’re moving into trades Americans used to do. With an added three million illegal aliens crossing our borders annually according to Time Magazine, September 12, 2004, “Who Left the Door Open?” there won’t be any jobs Americans “won’t do”—because there won’t be any jobs left that American middle class workers can do.
In Business Week’s May report, “Working and Poor,” by Michelle Conlin and Aaron Berstein, “In today’s cutthroat job market, the bottom rung is as high as most workers will ever get.”
Edward Plesniak, 36, lost his $10.68 an hour union job as a janitor when the contractor hired illegal alien labor. Plesniak earns $6.00 an hour with no benefits as a floor waxer.
As globalization quickens, the unskilled American worker suffers growing obstacles for a living wage. Not only is he competing with one million legal aliens added to the workforce annually in America, he/she must contend with three million illegal alien workers. Plesniak suffers with millions of Americans. That doesn’t include the 15 million unemployed Americans! It’s an aspect of Third World Momentum.
More distressing, America’s trades stomach an endless invasion of ‘willing workers’ depressing wages while taking jobs away from Americans across the board. Where are they coming from? “Some estimate as many as 95 percent of dry wall tapers represented by Chicago’s painter’s union are Mexican,” Geoff Dougherty, Chicago Tribune, reported. “They come from El Fresnito, Mexico.”
Chicago’s unions serving bricklayers and carpenters are being taken over by Mexicans living in this country, illegally. What has it done to Mexico’s towns? “The main problem is disintegrating families,” said Humberto Alvarez, president of the county of El Fresnito. “We see addiction, dropouts and other problems. The moment the father leaves, the family breaks down.”
While Mexico slathers itself in political grease via Vicente Fox’s inability to dislodge the corrupt, aristocratic upper class (he’s one of them), Fox sends 9.2 million of his poorest countrymen into America to grab the American Dream right out of the hands of Middle Class workers. His plan works, too. Fox’s drone workers return $15 billion annually which is the second leading revenue for his nation’s coffers. All totaled, illegals send $56 billion back to home countries annually. In the meantime, America’s Middle Class spends $7.4 billion educating an estimated 1.3 million illegal alien children. Additionally, Americans pay for health care, free lunch programs, housing assistance and language classes. Furthermore, American taxpayers contend with the $120 billion annual drug trade crossing over Mexico’s borders, aided by their military, which addicts millions of American kids. Not a bad deal for Fox and Mexico’s ruling class.
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It’s called the “Wal-Mart Effect.” Chains such as Safeway, Albertson’s and Kroger cut pay and benefits for workers as 40 Wal-Mart stores opened up in a five month period in southern California. Why? Wal-Mart pays less than half the union wages with few benefits. Sherry Kovas, with 26 years as a cashier, made $17.90 an hour but will be losing that wage quickly. “But I’m 44,” she said. “I’m too old to start over.”
Thus, the American Dream is now the Mexican Dream in our country. Trouble is, it’s destroying families in Mexico as it destroys American families in the country that created it. At the current rate of GATT and NAFTA via globalization as well as outsourcing, insourcing and offshoring, Americans will look back on the myth of what was once “The American Dream,” and wonder what happened to it and their families.
http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_10399.shtml " |
[Edited on October 26, 2004 at 10:45 AM. Reason : --]10/26/2004 10:43:43 AM |
marko Tom Joad 72825 Posts user info edit post |
illegal aliens love jesus, fyi 10/26/2004 11:04:19 AM |
Honkeyball All American 1684 Posts user info edit post |
They also have what Americans used to call a "work ethic" 10/26/2004 11:06:07 AM |
Opstand All American 9256 Posts user info edit post |
GET HIM, HE'S TRYING TO TAKE OUR JOBS!!1!1
10/26/2004 11:07:18 AM |
BrickTop All American 4508 Posts user info edit post |
i think this is the only time i've halfway agreed with salisburyboy, and it's making me depressed. 10/26/2004 11:14:27 AM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
Read this for evidence of how the United States is going down the tubes. Who really holds the power in this country when ILLEGAL ALIENS have the audacity and power to stop DUI checkpoints (and U.S. citizens don't)? Unbelievable.
http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,82~1726~2428344,00.html
Quote : | "Oakland police halt DUI checkpoints
Immigrant activists say roadblocks discriminate against those without licenses
By Heather MacDonald, STAFF WRITER
OAKLAND -- Oakland police officers have stopped setting up roadblocks to check whether drivers are under the influence because of a rash of complaints from the Latino community and City Council President Ignacio De La Fuente.
The checkpoints, which allow officers to demand licenses and proof of insurance, are an effective way to get drunken drivers off Oakland's streets, city leaders agree. But the checks also have ensnared dozens of illegal immigrants who are not licensed to drive yet otherwise obey the law.
"These checkpoints make people's lives miserable, not make them safer," said Jesus Rodriguez of Oakland Community Organizations, which filed most of the complaints about the checkpoints. "I've watched while the police have towed away cars (full) of groceries, leaving children crying on the sidewalk."
The complaints and pressure from De La Fuente, who represents the largely Latino Glenview-Fruitvale district and plans to run for mayor in 2006, prompted police Chief Richard L. Word to order his officers to hold off on any more DUI checkpoints while new guidelines are drafted.
"The checkpoints are a great tool for law enforcement," Word said. "We'll develop a better focus on drug hot spots and stopping sideshows."
However, the month-long moratorium on checkpoints has outraged Councilmember Larry Reid (Elmhurst-East Oakland), who calls the change a threat to public safety.
"It is absolutely insane to stop these checkpoints," Reid said. "I would not want to explain to a mother why we stopped doing these checkpoints when we know they work and her son or daughter was killed."
Reid also criticized elected officials for "micromanaging" the police department, although he did not single out De La Fuente for blame. Reid and De La Fuente are usually on the same side of issues before the council and recently worked together to propose a measure to raise taxes to hire more police officers.
The new checkpoint guidelines, which are not final, may call for police to notify Latino community organizations of the time and location of coming checkpoints. The checkpoints will be held after the evening rush-hour commute and rotated throughout the city, officials said.
"It's simple common sense," De La Fuente said. "You don't want to stop people going to or from work. If there are kids in the car, give someone an opportunity to call someone to pick up their kids rather than create chaos."
Legislation that would have allowed illegal immigrants who submit to background checks to apply for a California driver's license was vetoed this week by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Both Word and De La Fuente supported the legislation.
While officers have some discretion, the cars of unlicensed drivers are usually towed. To get their cars back, owners must pay $125, plus any storage fees. That is a significant burden to many illegal immigrants, Rodriguez said.
Reid said he has little sympathy with Rodriguez's position.
"I don't care if they are illegal immigrants," Reid said.
"They should not be driving on our streets without a license, without insurance. I expect the Oakland Police Department to do its job and get them off the street."
The council is expected to take up the issue at its Oct. 19 meeting." |
[Edited on October 26, 2004 at 12:09 PM. Reason : --]10/26/2004 12:08:07 PM |
EhSteve All American 7240 Posts user info edit post |
that's actually somewhat amusing and at the same time makes me really sad. 10/26/2004 12:13:00 PM |
JonHGuth Suspended 39171 Posts user info edit post |
it's so true, those mexicans are stealing my jobs. and to think, i wasted all this time in college for nothing 10/26/2004 12:13:35 PM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
Good site with links to other sites opposed to illegal immigration:
http://americanpatrol.com/LINKS/LINKS.html 10/26/2004 12:18:06 PM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
Asa Hutchinson admits that the U.S. government is not going to enforce the law and deport illegal aliens.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040909-115715-9178r.htm
Quote : | "Rounding up all illegals 'not realistic'
By Jerry Seper THE WASHINGTON TIMES
The nation's border czar yesterday said it is "not realistic" to think that law-enforcement authorities can arrest or deport the millions of illegal aliens now in the United States and does not think the American public has the "will ... to uproot" those aliens.
Homeland Security Undersecretary Asa Hutchinson also said taxpayers "might be afraid" to learn how much it would take in manpower and resources to control the nation's borders and described as "probably accurate" a statement that no law-enforcement officials are looking for the vast majority of the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens thought to be in the country.
"It's not realistic to say we're going to reduce that number," Mr. Hutchinson said during a luncheon meeting with editors and reporters at The Washington Times. "We don't set goals like that. Our goal is to enforce the law as we see violations of the law.
"But I don't think America has the will," he added. "I think they have too much compassion to tell our law-enforcement people to go out there and uproot those 8 million here — some of whom might have been here 8 or 12 years, who got kids here that are American citizens — and to send them out of the country." |
They seek to "enforce the law"? Then tell us in the next breath that you are not going to enforce the law and deport illegal aliens. The U.S. might as well abandon any pretense that it opposes illegal immigration. Illegal immigration is allowed and, in practice, sanctioned by the government. Bush's amnesty plan for illegals will only INCREASE the invasion of illegal immigrants.
[Edited on October 26, 2004 at 12:45 PM. Reason : --]10/26/2004 12:39:02 PM |
brianj320 All American 9166 Posts user info edit post |
america for americans. if ur not a naturalized citizen, get the fuck out before we come hunt u down and kick u out. 10/26/2004 12:40:39 PM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
TIME MAGAZINE published an artilce on September 20, 2004 titled "WHO LEFT THE DOOR OPEN", exposing America's illegal immigration crisis of 4,000 invading our borders nightly.
http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1101040920-695827,00.html
Quote : | "Who Left the Door Open?
TIME MAGAZINE September 20, 2004 By DONALD L. BARLETT ANDJAMES B. STEELE
Despite all the talk of homeland security, sneaking into the U.S. is scandalously easy—and on the rise. Millions of illegal aliens will pour across the U.S.-Mexican border this year, many from countries hostile to America. TIME looks at the damage, the dangers and the reasons the U.S. fails to protect itself.
The next time you pass through an airport and have to produce a photo ID to establish who you are and then must remove your shoes, take off your belt, empty your pockets, prove your laptop is not an explosive device and send your briefcase or purse through a machine to determine whether it holds weapons, think about this: In a single day, more than 4,000 illegal aliens will walk across the busiest unlawful gateway into the U.S., the 375-mile border between Arizona and Mexico. No searches for weapons. No shoe removal. No photo-ID checks." |
[Edited on October 26, 2004 at 12:56 PM. Reason : `]10/26/2004 12:54:04 PM |
Opstand All American 9256 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "america for americans. if ur not a naturalized citizen, get the fuck out before we come hunt u down and kick u out." |
You can't become naturalized without living in the US for at least 5 years 10/26/2004 12:56:34 PM |
brianj320 All American 9166 Posts user info edit post |
haha even better! 10/26/2004 1:11:47 PM |
ssjamind All American 30098 Posts user info edit post |
i'm pretty sure steve9194 will be here any minute now. 10/26/2004 1:41:12 PM |
Pyro Suspended 4836 Posts user info edit post |
I think Maddox puts this best:
Quote : | "News flash: immigrants aren't taking anything from Americans. Companies like WalMart are giving jobs to them illegally. If WalMart paid a company to hire immigrants to do the job over Americans then there's probably a good reason for it. I'm sick and tired of lazy gluttonous Americans bitching about immigrants "taking" our jobs. It's not like they can literally come to America, ambush us in the parking lot and take our jobs.
If you lose your job to an immigrant, it's probably because he or she was willing to work harder for less money. Don't want to pay them full wages? Then don't hire them. If they do equal work, then they deserve equal pay. It's just that simple, and I'm not going to sit back like every other racist piece of shit bitching about having to work harder because there's a little competition for my job, immigrant or otherwise. I know I can do my job better than anyone, and if an immigrant thinks he can do a better job than I can, I welcome him to try.
What kind of chicken shit pussy is afraid of competition? Can't get a job because you lost out to an immigrant? Well TOUGH SHIT. Nobody wants to pay you for your half-assed work if someone else can do it better. That's what America is all about. Our president may be a moron, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let any more jackasses sully the reputation of hard working Americans who are willing to work just as hard as anyone else with or without competition. If you can't cut it, then the people with money will pay it to someone else who can. Maybe if all you people bitching weren't such lazy, pathetic, blood sucking leeches, you'd get off of your dead ass and work HARDER to do a better job. Get some balls people. If you're too chicken shit and you can't cut it, then maybe it's you who doesn't deserve to live in America. Not the immigrants. " |
All that said, I do feel we should make a better effort to enforce all laws and taxation. And this starts by making it eaiser to start the process of becoming an American citizen. Labeling these folks as illegal immigrants won't exactly persuade them to line up at the Post Office to file their taxes. I'm sure the majority of them would be here legally and be upstanding citizens if we didn't make it so damn near impossible to get across the border in a legal fashion.
I'm sure the lack of fathers is detrimental to Mexican families, but then again so is living in poverty. If a man thinks he can do better for himself in another country, let him. This is the 21st century, we shouldn't still be operating under the feudal system where peasants are tied to the land.
[Edited on October 26, 2004 at 2:24 PM. Reason : .]10/26/2004 2:15:56 PM |
Mangy Wolf All American 2006 Posts user info edit post |
I just watched a newsbrief out of Huntersville. It seems that six illegal aliens GANGRAPED a woman for FIVE hours. She was so badly injured that she could not walk for several days afterwards. Rape is commonplace in mexico...I guess we'd better get used to this type of story. 10/26/2004 11:34:33 PM |
GoldenViper All American 16056 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Rape is commonplace in mexico..." |
Can we get a source for that?10/27/2004 8:49:57 AM |
Honkeyball All American 1684 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "It seems that six illegal aliens GANGRAPED a woman for FIVE hours. She was so badly injured that she could not walk for several days afterwards. Rape is commonplace in mexico...I guess we'd better get used to this type of story." |
Cuz white people never rape anyone.
Or black people.
Or...10/27/2004 9:27:29 AM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Can we get a source for that?" |
http://www.huntersvilleherald.com/articles/2004/10/21/news/local/local02.txt
Quote : | "Latino group questions investigation of gang rape
By Tucker Mitchell
The Huntersville Police Department is under fire from a Hispanic activist following last week's arrest of six Hispanic men accused of brutally raping a woman for more than five hours in a Huntersville mobile home park on Oct. 10. The activist, Maudia Melendez of the Latino Connection, says she's concerned about the thoroughness of HPD's investigation, given the reputation of the accused in the Huntersville and Cornelius communities.
"The community that knows the detainees have all said the same thing to me, namely how is that six men, who are just regular people, good workers, how is that they can suddenly become animals and commit so terrible a crime?" Melendez says. "I am an advocate for Latinos but I am also a supporter of law and order. What we are really looking for here is the truth. I'm not sure we have that just yet."
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The woman, described by police as 37-year-old white female, was finally allowed to leave, sometime around 6 a.m. Sunday morning. She returned to her home where her 13-year-old daughter noted her condition and called the authorities.
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Believing the men might not be legal U.S. residents, HPD contacted the Immigration and Naturaliziation Service (INS) which sent agents to the scene and determined that in fact, all seven were in the country illegally. All seven were put under INS detainers and jailed in Charlotte. " |
How dare the police investigate Hispanics for a crime?!!!! Everyone knows that Hispanics are ALL are "hardworking", "law-abiding" people. Even if they are in the country illegally, they are still "law-abiding" (don't worry if that doesn't make sense....just believe it). No exceptions. Those police must be bigotted, redneck RACISTS!!!!!
[Edited on October 27, 2004 at 10:11 AM. Reason : --]10/27/2004 9:59:15 AM |
Honkeyball All American 1684 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" |
Hence innocent until proven guilty. I'm not saying they didn't do it, evidence noted in the article seems to be pretty conclusive.
But there has been no trial and therefore is no guilt as of yet.
And this has very little if any bearing on your argument about getting rid of all the ILLEGAL mexicans.
Quote : | "No Mr. Garrison...we cannot get rid of all the Mexicans.." |
[Edited on October 27, 2004 at 10:18 AM. Reason : suck]10/27/2004 10:08:30 AM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Honkeyball: And this has very little if any bearing on your argument about getting rid of all the mexicans. " |
Thanks for putting words in my mouth and TOTALLY misrepresenting what I have said in this thread. It demonstrates the outright distortions and lies the defenders of illegal immigration need to resort to in order to demonize and slander those who are opposed to illegal immigration. I never said we need to "get rid of all the mexicans."
I AM OPPOSED TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND BELIEVE OUR LAWS SHOULD BE ENFORCED AND ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS SHOULD BE DEPORTED.
[Edited on October 27, 2004 at 10:19 AM. Reason : --]10/27/2004 10:16:13 AM |
Honkeyball All American 1684 Posts user info edit post |
I guess my sarcasm has gotten the better of me... I concur by the way. 10/27/2004 10:17:33 AM |
GoldenViper All American 16056 Posts user info edit post |
um, I wanted a source for rape being common in Mexico. I wasn't questioning that specific crime... 10/27/2004 2:08:57 PM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
More on the Huntersville gang rape case:
The seven illegal aliens charged all had NC driver's licenses:
Quote : | "All seven men charged in the rape have two critical things in common. All are illegal aliens. And all seven have driver's licenses issued by the state of North Carolina, Huntersville Police Detective A. Dempski confirmed for Creative Loafing last week.
Perhaps these men would have come here anyway and committed this crime if they couldn't get a license so effortlessly from the DMV. But the DMV sure is making it easy for them -- easy for them to drive, easy for them to earn a living, easy for them to break immigration law.
When Easley looked into the camera two weeks ago during the gubernatorial debate and insisted that you need a Social Security number to get a driver's license in this state, he flat-out lied.
There have been a lot of whoppers told this election season, but this was probably the biggest. It's the same one Easley's administration has been telling for over a year now even though he knows better.
The truth is that you need a Social Security number to get a license in this state if you have one. If you don't because you're here illegally, well, that's no problem. You can just use something called an individual tax identification number (ITIN) instead.
An ITIN is a tax processing number the IRS gave out, in the words of Congressman Tom Tancredo, "like candy" to people who work here but aren't eligible to get a Social Security number. The IRS has issued six million since 1996. Only two million have ever been used to file tax forms. The status of the rest is unknown. Last year, federal agents testified that they're pretty easy to buy on the black market.
http://charlotte.creativeloafing.com/news_citizen.html" |
Quote : | "Latino group calls charges of gang rape unfounded
Kytja Weir Charlotte Observer Oct. 22
HUNTERSVILLE—About 25 people gathered at a Latino grocery store Thursday night to ask police about the arrest of six Latino men charged with gang raping a woman last week.
They said the accused are respectful, married men who have families and aren’t guilty. They also raised concerns police aren’t investigating the case thoroughly enough or interviewing neighbors and friends of the suspects.
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Jos?Julian Castillo Castillo, 35, the brother of one of the arrested men, said it's true the men were in the United States illegally. They are all from the state of Tlaxcala, Mexico, he said.
But he's visited his brother and the others in jail, and he said they told him sex between the woman and the men was consensual.
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/2004/10/22/news/local/9983562.htm?1c" |
[Edited on October 30, 2004 at 8:47 PM. Reason : `]10/30/2004 8:38:52 PM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
Got to love the title of this article don't you? Clearly propaganda to give the impression that Arizona voters are "anti-immigrant" when the initiative passed was against ILLEGAL immigrants.
I wish NC would have put something like this on the ballot.
Quote : | "Anti-immigrant initiatives growing
By Richard Marosi Los Angeles Times
The passage of an Arizona voter initiative that blocks some public services for illegal immigrants has energized similar movements in other states, including California, and could influence the national immigration debate, say the initiative's backers and experts on immigration. Proposition 200 won handily, despite opposition from much of Arizona's political establishment, including Democratic Gov. Janet Napolitano and Republican Sen. John McCain.
The measure — favored by 56 percent of voters — requires applicants for some public benefits to present proof of citizenship. State workers who do not report to federal authorities illegal immigrants applying for benefits could be jailed.
Its passage sparked many illegal immigrants to keep their children home from schools. Attendance in Phoenix preschools had returned to normal by Thursday after teachers reassured parents that the measure would not affect schools.
The measure was a scaled-down version of California's Proposition 187, passed by voters a decade ago but thrown out by the courts in part because it conflicted with federal laws.
It is unclear whether the Arizona initiative will survive expected court challenges, but supporters say its passage reflects a growing discontent with federal inaction on immigration issues.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2002083823_immig06.html" |
[Edited on November 7, 2004 at 10:38 PM. Reason : `]11/7/2004 10:34:07 PM |
goalielax All American 11252 Posts user info edit post |
dude - this is your problem. you could actually have a good post here and a good discussion. but instead you bring your alarmist crap along with it and waste it all. for once try bringing something up without being such a spaz about it - it will work. well, maybe not given your history of posting, but it might be worth a shot.
[Edited on November 8, 2004 at 1:24 AM. Reason : .] 11/8/2004 1:03:26 AM |
mentu82 All American 1291 Posts user info edit post |
^^^this is why the DMV office off Tryon and WT Harris Blvd is so slow. Apparently, it's very easy to get a drivers license there. 11/8/2004 3:36:33 PM |
salisburyboy Suspended 9434 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.rense.com/general59/druwq.htm
Quote : | "Chilling Costs Of Illegal Alien Migration
Frosty Wooldridge News With Views.com 11-9-4
In 2003, according to the Arizona Department of Motor Vehicles, 57,600 cars were stolen in Phoenix. It is now the car-jacking capital of the world. Most were SUVs and pickup trucks. At a conservative average of $15,000.00 per vehicle, owner losses exceeded $864 million. Insurance companies in the state suffered incredible claims from policyholders. Worse, how would you like to walk out of your home or business to see your car gone? Imagine the hassle, violation of your hard work and disrespect for your well being. Where did those vehicles go? Who stole them? Take a guess. Arizona is the temporary home of 500,000 illegal aliens. They cost Arizona taxpayers over $1 billion annually in services for schools, medical care, welfare anchor babies, loss of tax base and prisons. Illegals use those vehicles for smuggling more people and drugs from around the world into our country. When the vehicles are recovered, they are smashed-up wrecks in the desert. If not found, they have new owners south of the border as thieves drive the cars through the desert and into Mexico as easily as you drive your kids to soccer practice. THAT's how porous our borders are! The chilling costs of illegal migration reach like an octopus into every aspect of our lives. Illegal aliens displaced American workers at a cost in excess of $133 billion dollars last year according to Harvard Professor George Borjas. College and high school kids cannot find a summer job in yard care, landscape, fast food or service jobs. Why? Illegal aliens work them at a third the wage and often' under the table. Not only do your kids not have jobs; you,re paying taxes for illegal aliens who are not paying taxes.
Annually, 75 percent of drugs arrive from Mexico at a net cost of $120 billion hard currency that leaves our country for good. In addition' our tax dollars pay $80 billion for the War on Drugs each year. It is a war that hasn't been won in the past 30 years and drugs are as available today to your teenager as they were in 1970. When an alien criminal gets caught for rape, murder or drug distribution' you pay $1.6 billion annually in prison costs to house, feed and clothe those filling 30 percent of our federal and state prisons - not to mention TV, movies, weight rooms and other entertainment - they enjoy while being incarcerated. Is your blood boiling at this point? How about illegal alien anchor babies? Over 300,000 women annually arrive pregnant and drop them on U.S. soil. You pay food, housing, medical and schooling for them to age 18 PLUS their mother. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, average annual cost per child K-12 is $7,161.00 and exceeds $109 billion annually per cycle of anchor babies. That's your money given out to 300,000 moms and their kids annually and all they did was get pregnant and birth that child on U.S. soil. If you haven't had a heart attack by now, you'll need Tums after this figure. The average head of household illegal alien costs you $2,700.00 in welfare money over and above any taxes he or she pays in their meager paying jobs. With 15 to 20 million illegal aliens in the USA, that figures exceeds $20 billion of your tax dollars. (Source: Center for Immigration Studies, August 2004)
How about the $56 billion in pure cash illegal migrants sent to their home countries last year and every year? That's after their kids enjoyed free education' free lunches and free medical care paid for by you. Mexico receives $15 billion annually from its worker drones. No wonder Vicente Fox sent us 9.2 million illegal alien Mexicans so far. The lifetime net fiscal drain"taxes paid minus services used - for an adult immigrant is $55,200 according to Carrying Capacity Network. Who makes that money up? You do! Your work! Your taxes! With a minimum of 15 million illegal aliens in our country, these figures are the tip of the iceberg. Average bilingual education is $1,200.00 per illegal alien student. Get this! We educate 1.1 million illegal alien children each year. Do the math! Ready for another anvil dropped on your toe fact? You paid $27 billion to provide forms, ballots, interpreters and brochures for languages other than English in 2003.
An estimated one-third to one-half illegal aliens work off the books. It costs $200 million to provide for emergency health care for illegal aliens in the Border States annually. California with over three million illegals paid $79 million' BUT four of their major LA hospitals bankrupted and shut their doors in 2004. Texas with 1.5 million illegal aliens paid $74 million in hospital care. Who is Texas? You, the taxpayer, that's who! Because you, in your state, pay commensurate medical care according to your illegal alien population. Georgia ran a $63 million deficit for 64,000 unpaid doctor visits to their Grady Health Care system in 2002. In the same year, Georgia taxpayers paid $27 million for 11,188 anchor baby hospital births. Georgia taxpayers paid a whopping $242 million for educating illegal alien kids in 2003. What is it in your state? What are the consequences? One in two adult African-Americans in New York is unemployed. African-American children's poverty grew by 50 percent since 1999. Why? Their dads can't find work. It costs you, the taxpayer, $68 billion a year JUST to pay for the resettlement of legal immigrants. " |
[Edited on November 9, 2004 at 9:54 AM. Reason : `]11/9/2004 9:52:00 AM |
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/9/120523.shtml
Quote : | "Bush Wants To Legalize MILLIONS Of Illegal Aliens - Powell
NewsMax.com Wires 11-9-4 MEXICO CITY - Secretary of State Colin Powell said Tuesday that President Bush would place a high priority in his second term on granting legal status to millions of migrants who live illegally in the United States. Powell spoke at the inaugural session of the U.S.-Mexican Bi-National Commission, which annually brings together top officials from both sides to discuss a range of cross-border issues. Powell was joined here by five other members of Bush's Cabinet. "The president is committed to comprehensive immigration reform as a high priority in his second term, and he will work closely with our Congress to achieve this goal," Powell said, with delegations from both sides in attendance at a Foreign Ministry auditorium. " |
[Edited on November 10, 2004 at 8:32 AM. Reason : `]11/10/2004 8:29:22 AM |
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http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041110-123424-5467r.htm
Quote : | "Bush revives bid to legalize illegal aliens
By Bill Sammon THE WASHINGTON TIMES
President Bush yesterday moved aggressively to resurrect his plan to relax rules against illegal immigration, a move bound to anger conservatives just days after they helped re-elect him.
The president met privately in the Oval Office with Sen. John McCain to discuss jump-starting a stalled White House initiative that would grant legal status to millions of immigrants who broke the law to enter the United States. " |
[Edited on November 10, 2004 at 10:34 AM. Reason : `]11/10/2004 10:33:25 AM |
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From the Alex Jones radio show of 11-10-04, on illegal immigration:
Some estimates are that 20-30 million illegal aliens are in the United States. 3 million illegal aliens enter the country each year.
Alex Jones reports that there is an unwritten rule accross the country that landlords are to allow illegal aliens to live over the allowable limit per apartment unit (ie, let them live 10 per apartment,etc.), while if U.S. citizens do the same thing, they are to be reported to the authorities and evicted.
Pay for boarder control agents has been cut recently and the number of boarder patrol agents has actually been reduced (not increased, as has been reported).
thread on Bush's amnesty plan: http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=265191
[Edited on November 10, 2004 at 10:36 PM. Reason : `] 11/10/2004 10:24:19 PM |
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http://www.rense.com/general59/illegalimmigrationandMinman.htm
April 1, 2005--Minute Man Project--American citizens to protect the Arizona boarder
Quote : | "This foreign invasion is no longer a joke. It's no longer fun. It's no longer tolerable. They're "coming here for a better life" will no longer cut it. When illegals say, "They're a bunch of racists," it no longer holds water. This is about the rule of law and law and order. This is about our country not theirs. "They're coming here to do the jobs that Americans won't do" is a myth that can no longer be tolerated. If immigrant medical doctors were paid $4.00 an hour slave wagesthere wouldn't be any doctors doing the jobs that Americans won't do, either.
What will those illegal aliens and drug smugglers see on the border come April 1, 2005? They are going to meet with a miles long line of organized, military-style, determined, gritty and pissed off American patriots in tents, motorhomes, pickup trucks by campfires and from every walk of life holding binoculars-and taking a stand for America. " |
[Edited on November 10, 2004 at 10:42 PM. Reason : `]11/10/2004 10:41:57 PM |
Pyro Suspended 4836 Posts user info edit post |
yeeeeeeeeeehaw!!!!1 11/10/2004 10:46:23 PM |
LoneSnark All American 12317 Posts user info edit post |
Dude, cut it out. Pick a single topic or something. 11/11/2004 12:21:33 AM |
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Congressman Tom Tancredo on Arizona's immigration reform measure, Proposition 200:
http://www.house.gov/tancredo/newsroom/press/2004_11_08.pdf
[Edited on November 11, 2004 at 12:31 PM. Reason : `] 11/11/2004 12:30:42 PM |
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From the Alex Jones Radio Show of 11/12/04:
Bush's new Amnesty plan (ie, "guest worker" plan) could apply to approximately 50 million Mexicans. All "guest worker" plans in history lead to perment residency. This plan is the open and legal destruction of American Sovereignty. It is moving towards destruction of the border and the "unification" of North America into a "pan-American state". It is moving North America towards a "global community" (and a global government). 11/12/2004 12:53:28 PM |
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More reports of Hispanic illegal aliens gang raping women...
Illegal alien sentenced in gang rape :
Quote : | "Alcantara, 20, of New Cassel, pleaded guilty last month to taking part in the November 2001 gang rape of a 20-year-old Marymount Manhattan College student who was attacked as she walked home from the Westbury train station.
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Alcantara, then 17, was one of two assailants who pounced on the college student as she left the train station at 1:45 a.m., punching her repeatedly in the face and dragging her into a dark alley.
"They took turns raping her over the course of 45 minutes and left her there," Finkelstein said.
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/253273p-216653c.html" |
Quote : | "4 illegal aliens gang-rape woman in NYC Victim: They attacked like 'pack of wild wolves in search of their prey'
January 17, 2004
Four illegal aliens were among the five men who brutally gang-raped a New York City woman.
The woman described her ordeal in a scathing letter to state Supreme Court Justice Randall Eng, saying the men carried out their attack like "a pack of wild wolves in search of their prey."
"They punched me so hard that I was knocked to the floor," the 43-year-old victim wrote before Eng sentenced one of her attackers Thursday, Victor Cruz, to 21 years in prison, the New York Post reported.
"They savagely dragged me like an animal, like a piece of furniture, and took me to a secluded area of the park, a hut, a foul place that smelled so bad that not even animals should be made to be there, where I was brutally and repeatedly raped by five or more men," she said of the Dec. 19, 2002 attack.
The New York paper said Cruz, Luis Carmona, Carlos Rodriguez, Armando Juvenal and José Hernandez pleaded guilty in December to rape and kidnapping charges in exchange for sentences of 20 to 23 years.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36652 " |
[Edited on November 17, 2004 at 12:11 PM. Reason : `]11/17/2004 12:05:41 PM |
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U.S. government betrayal
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36813 11/17/2004 3:26:05 PM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
And as long as these illegal aliens are working for almost nothing, Bush/big business/etc... will support their continued invasion in an effort to keep wages artificially low. 11/17/2004 3:52:51 PM |
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Good article:
http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/ALIEN.html
Quote : | "TRAITOR BUSH'S IMMIGRATION SELLOUT
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If the supply of foreign workers were to dry up employers would respond to this new, tighter, labor market in two ways. One, they would offer higher wages, increased benefits, and improved working conditions, so as to recruit and retain people from the remaining pool of workers. The result would be a new equilibrium, with blue-collar workers making better money, and preserving our national identity in the process.
The notion that American citizens are adverse to hard work and unwilling to earn their living is absurd. The basic issue is that the Free Trade faithful, supporters of NAFTA and the WTO, are intentionally impoverishing the American middle class. Encouraging the influx of indigents and assuring an eventual amnesty for illegals already here only compounds the problem. Allowing an entire family to dwell among us that has little interest in assimilation into OUR way of life is suicidal. But that is exactly the end result of the Bush betrayal. " |
[Edited on November 20, 2004 at 7:00 PM. Reason : `]11/20/2004 6:48:44 PM |
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ANOTHER gang rape--this one by members of a Latino gang:
http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~20954~2554520,00.html
Quote : | "3 arrested, charged in girl's rape
Nov. 23, 2004 By Jason Kandel, Staff Writer L.A. Daily News
CANOGA PARK -- Three men were arrested in connection with the rape of a 13-year-old girl during an alcohol-fueled, off-campus "ditch" party, police said Tuesday.
Jesus Gomez, Juan Carlos Barajas and Adam Mata -- all 18 and identified as associates of the Canoga Park Alabama gang -- were suspected of being part of a group of males who gang-raped the Canoga Park High School girl last Thursday at Barajas' house.
"She was unable to resist," said Detective John Alviani of the Los Angeles Police Department's Valley Bureau Sexual Assault Unit. "The males had sex with her against her will."
After the assault, the assailants drove the victim to an apartment-complex carport in the 7000 block of Vassar Avenue, behind the school, and threw her out of the car. She was found by a tenant, lying unconscious and half-naked on the pavement." |
archived: http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=88
[Edited on November 25, 2004 at 1:50 PM. Reason : `]11/25/2004 1:44:28 PM |
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http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty7.htm
Quote : | "SWALLOWING A SCORPION FROM MEXICO
By Frosty Wooldridge November 25, 2004 NewsWithViews.com
They come to do the work that American’s won’t do. They come for a better life. They come in droves. Over 4,000 per night cross our Arizona borders. They number in excess of 15 million. They come from an endless line out of the Third World. What most Americans don’t realize—they come to colonize and ultimately conquer our four Border States—but it doesn’t end there.
One look at California illustrates a successful invasion in process. What are the signs? Last year, according to demographic experts, 800,000 American citizens fled California. Why? Los Angeles stands as a clone of Mexico City. Slums, trash, disease, gangs, drugs, bankrupting hospitals, schools in chaos and about the only persons speaking English are Jay Leno and his guests on the Tonight Show. Over 9.2 million Mexicans transplanted themselves into the four Border States—and beyond—all the way to Maine, Iowa, Minnesota, Oregon, Georgia, North Carolina and Michigan.
They are not assimilating, not speaking English, not respecting our laws, paying taxes, driving with licenses, carrying insurance or investing as American citizens.
They lead ‘Reconquista of Aztlan.’ Mexico feels our four border states were stolen by the United States. They maintain a long-term plan for reconquering ‘their’ land. It’s called ‘El Plan de Aztlan.’ Read about it
They write, "In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal "gringo" invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun-- declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny."
Who are "they?" They are militant, cunning and growing leaders infiltrating the upper ranks of the government in California. U.S. House Representative Joe Baca of California works for illegal aliens by hamstringing the U.S. Border Patrol, supporting the Dream Act, Special Order 40 and other aspects that assist La Raza. It stands for—"For the race, everything, for those outside the race, nothing." Baca supports the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund and several others.
Talk about "racism!" What do you think will happen when these wonderful folks gain power? If you swallow a scorpion, you will get stung to death from the inside.
Baca gave a speech, which borders on treason, "…it’s a great feeling, you know, La Raza, it’s about increasing our numbers because we’re in a civil war." This is a man who swore to defend the U.S. Constitution but engages in another calling. He enjoys powerful backup in men like Art Torres, former California State Senator, Jose Gutierrez, Professor at the University of Texas, Mario Obledo founder of MALDEF and Armando Navarro, Professor of ethics at the University of California." |
11/26/2004 12:22:56 PM |
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Spanish Primary Language On CA Traffic Ticket!
http://www.rense.com/general60/ticket.htm
[Edited on November 29, 2004 at 12:02 PM. Reason : `] 11/29/2004 12:01:42 PM |
Mindstorm All American 15858 Posts user info edit post |
Rabble rabble rabble.
Drama drama drama.
[Edited on November 29, 2004 at 12:08 PM. Reason : ] 11/29/2004 12:08:26 PM |
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couldn't resist... 11/29/2004 12:24:38 PM |
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