why? is it for the presents?
to me that makes as much sense as osama bin laden celebrating "Independence day" for the fireworks.

christmas has always been a celebration of the birth of jesus.
if you dont like but still want to celebrate, no fear, you still have thanksgiving and new years.

happy holidays

12/12/2007 12:16:48 AM

for the motherfucking LOOT

and for a goddamed 4 day weekend

dumbass.

what the hell you think?

EGG NOG, BITCH




[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 12:18 AM. Reason : ]

12/12/2007 12:17:28 AM

I've had this conversation with 3 people this week.
Makes me

Commercialism at its best?!?

12/12/2007 12:18:02 AM

hasn't always been about jesus...

12/12/2007 12:18:56 AM

A lot of persons celebrate Christmas as a gifts giving event.

12/12/2007 12:18:59 AM

^yeah, that is so superficial though, why not creat a new holiday then,
they still call it christmas but give no acknowledgment to jesus

i just went to pick up some decorations from the store, i saw angels, santa clause everywhere
but did i see baby jesus or the manger, NO

12/12/2007 12:21:05 AM

dear sweet little baby jesus

12/12/2007 12:21:30 AM

i love celebrating the winter solstice

12/12/2007 12:21:30 AM

yeah, christmas is all about jesus to christians.

12/12/2007 12:21:56 AM

^^haha, at least you honest, happy winter solstice you heathen

12/12/2007 12:22:56 AM

Kwanzaa Motherfucker

12/12/2007 12:23:20 AM

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"i just went to pick up some decorations from the store, i saw angels, santa clause everywhere but did i see baby jesus or the manger, NO"

at least they had angels and not just Santa and da elfssssssss

12/12/2007 12:23:22 AM

"In fact, Christmas as we celebrate it today is a 19th-century American invention. The freedom and prosperity of post-Civil War America created the happiest nation in history. The result was the desire to celebrate, to revel in the goods and pleasures of life on earth. "

I like celebrating how great it is to take pleasure in this life on earth.

12/12/2007 12:23:29 AM

Holidays, like everything else, evolve over time. Look at Halloween. Used to be about some other shit. Now it's about girls getting to dress slutty. Changed for the better in my opinion.

Christmas used to be a holy Christian holiday. Now it's what drives 4th quarter business.

12/12/2007 12:25:46 AM

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"I like celebrating how great it is to take pleasure in this life on earth."

you try to make it sound good but that is pretty much anti christian way of life

12/12/2007 12:30:12 AM

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"Christmas used to be a holy Christian holiday. Now it's what drives 4th quarter business."

and you approve?

12/12/2007 12:30:45 AM

im too scared to tell my family

12/12/2007 12:31:23 AM

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"Christmas used to be a holy Christian PAGAN holiday"

for a couple hundred years before Jesus was born to the prostitute Mary, December 25 -- the date of the Winter Solstice on the Julian Calendar -- Romans celebrated the birth of Mithras who had been the offspring of a Roman deity and a virgin human female.


Anyhow LAFTA, how about you take your Jesus' advice and go be pious in secret instead of publicly beating yourself like the Pharisees

12/12/2007 12:34:35 AM

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"and you approve?"

You're right. I should change Christmas. All by myself...

12/12/2007 12:35:43 AM

^^^ haha, i told my fam this past thanksgiving, & they were all like really? why?

they found it very interesting that someone in their own family was an *atheist*

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 12:36 AM. Reason : added a ^]

12/12/2007 12:36:38 AM

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"you try to make it sound good but that is pretty much anti christian way of life"

I know. I'm not a Christian. I think you can be an atheist and celebrate Christmas in your own way.

12/12/2007 12:37:40 AM

Cause Christmas fucking rocks.

There's drinking, gluttony, presents, family, friends coming back to town, long walks to smoke when you get sick of family and friends...

Parties, Santa, Christmas-crazed kids, egg nog, no work, no school, "cheer," holiday-themed TV, tasty treats, lights/decorations, good movies come out, the smell of evergreen, indiscriminate liplocks neath the toe...

And this man Jesus that some folks are all into sounds like a pretty cool dude...so, fuck yeah, I'm down to celebrate...

12/12/2007 12:45:27 AM

I'm an atheist and I halfheartedly celebrate it because it's always pushed upon me by family and friends.

I could give two shits.

12/12/2007 12:50:03 AM

I don't. I give presents because it's expected of me, but I absolutely despise the whole Xmas season.

12/12/2007 12:55:03 AM

ahahhahahaha....joe_schmoe...I was all set to post that

12/12/2007 12:56:24 AM

It's not so bad to give gifts to people you appreciate and if somebody likes you, getting gifts is good too. it's a convenient time to get everybody something and then not worry about them til their birthday.

12/12/2007 12:56:47 AM

im officially agnostic (might as well be atheist), and i love Christmas because i get to spend relaxing time with family enjoying their presence.

christmas is a commercial secular holiday anyhow. consider this fact. maybe you recall it:

last year, Christmas fell on a Sunday... a LOT of churches across the country CANCELLED their sunday morning services because it would be way too inconvenient for families who were visiting each other from out of town.

I mean, really? who the fuck wants to go to CHURCH on Christmas morning??

not when theres family to catch up with, presents to give, food to eat, drinks to drink, sports to watch, kids to play with, naps to take...

12/12/2007 12:56:52 AM

christmas has a lot of pagan origins. some of it is based on saturnalia, the roman holiday where there was basically a week long party full of lawlessness and debauchery. men gave each other gifts and decorated trees if i remember correctly. there were also human sacrifices and gay sex. christmas is most certainly not about jesus' birthday. there's no way he was even born in december given the account of his birth in the bible. atheists celebrate christmas because it's a commercial holiday that everyone else takes part in. you really think when christmas ads show up on tv right after thanksgiving that it's because people are so fuckin amped about jesus being born? hell no. it's to get you in the mood to buy shit for other people.

12/12/2007 12:59:39 AM

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"christmas has always been a celebration of the birth of jesus."

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

o i c joe_schmoe has covered the pagan roots of the holiday

you can put christian lipstick on a pig, but its still a pig!

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 1:01 AM. Reason : s]

12/12/2007 1:00:05 AM

^,^^,^^^

FTW

12/12/2007 1:00:35 AM

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"i love celebrating the winter solstice"

12/12/2007 1:02:57 AM

well to be fair, the word Christmas, like Michaelmas and other related words, means the feast day (usually day of birth or death) of certain Christian saints/figures - so Christmas would be the feast day of Christ so "Christmas" has always celebrated the birth of Christ.

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 1:06 AM. Reason : it's what December 25th was celebrated for that's changed.]

12/12/2007 1:05:22 AM

lafta got fucking owned in this thread, and serves him right for once again reminding everyone that he's holier than thou.

12/12/2007 1:05:46 AM

so we're eating the christ now?



"gather round kiddies, it's time for your CHRISTCAKES."

12/12/2007 1:06:13 AM

nomnomnom

12/12/2007 1:07:07 AM

I like to celebrate bad spelling on December 25th.

12/12/2007 1:10:38 AM

Look, I'm wiccan, and even I recognize that you can't get the hell away from Christmas. You just can't. But it's not about Jesus any more. It's still about doing nice things for other people, which I approve of, but it's too comercialized to be about anything religious. Even me and my other pagan friends hold off and combine our Yule celebration with New Years so that it's actually the turning over of the new year. (Plus, it makes for a more bad-ass shin-dig.)
Holidays aren't as set in stone as we'd like to think they are.

12/12/2007 1:15:00 AM

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"EGG NOG, BITCH"

12/12/2007 1:15:33 AM

if jesus gave us the biggest gift of all by dying and all that, and tis better to give than to receive, then why the fuck would jesus care if you sat in church all day on his birthday YO

12/12/2007 1:18:19 AM

^well for Catholics, you go at midnight the night before

12/12/2007 1:23:14 AM

its just a symbolic gesture and to unite the community.... lest you forget the church is for the gathering of the community.


Im not really fond of any type of religion, although I do believe in god and jesus. I just feel that churches and the people who attend them are not what God wants us to do. I see these big expensive churches and I cant help but think about the money that could have been saved to help people who actually need it.

Also, im quite disgusted with the people who claim to be religous and lead a double life. Although not every member of the church is like this, ive known one too many individuals to lead a completely different lifestyle than what is expected.

I do admire some sects of the church that actually do help those who need it.

12/12/2007 1:30:37 AM

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"^well for Catholics, you go at midnight the night before"

Midnight? Please. More like 9 PM Christmas Eve mass...

12/12/2007 1:47:27 AM

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"hasn't always been about jesus..."

exactly

christians stole the holiday season in the first place, and they deserve to have it stolen back

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"you can put christian lipstick on a pig, but its still a pig!"

haha, yes

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"lafta got fucking owned in this thread, and serves him right for once again reminding everyone that he's holier than thou."

fo real

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"why do [atheists] celebrate christmas?"

why shouldn't they?

trick-or-treating doesn't mean that you believe in ghosts

so why should stocking stuffing mean that believe in immaculate conception?

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"why not creat a new holiday then, they still call it christmas but give no acknowledgment to jesus"

the pen is mightier than the sword, iow, you'll likely never get "them" to stop calling it christmas

but, as I said, that's what christians deserve for having stolen the holiday from pagans in the first place

lafta, if you want a non-commercial, non-santa, non-tree, non-stockings, 100% baby jesus holiday

then maybe you (all) should be the one(s) to create a new holiday, just for yourselves

'cause guess what?

you ain't ever getting christmas back

it ours now

get over it

12/12/2007 9:11:46 AM

I celebrate Blasphamas. It just happens to fall on Dec. 25.

12/12/2007 9:18:40 AM

Just because I don't believe in God doesn't mean I don't believe in Santa.

12/12/2007 9:23:05 AM

Haha, I like the implication that if the holiday is somehow secularized, that somehow damages the meaning for lafta personally. The great atheist conspiracy is glad to know your faith is that weak- it's an encouraging sign. They just love to see people threatened by them using words in ways you disprove of.

12/12/2007 9:24:56 AM

sounds like ya'll seriously don't like Christians....like ya'll are about to go on a "Christians celebrating Christmas" busting raid

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 9:27 AM. Reason : plural]

12/12/2007 9:26:39 AM

^Obvious non-reader.

Had you read most of the posts, you'd see that most of the people in the thread like celebrating christmass just fine. They just take offense at lafta's pontificating ass trying to tell them how to.

12/12/2007 9:28:13 AM

I celebrate Christmas because my family drags me into it

they are religious, I am not

12/12/2007 9:29:11 AM

^I read all of the posts before I made my first post. Sounds like a bunch of hatin'

Cheer up, its Christmas time!!!

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12/12/2007 9:29:38 AM