NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
The coming Breitbart war on Trump is going to be interesting. 1/3/2018 1:43:46 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
will the autists choose trump or bannon? 1/3/2018 1:48:14 PM |
tulsigabbard Suspended 2953 Posts user info edit post |
Bannon had to separate himself from Trump at some point and this is obviously all part of the long-term strategy. Its 2018 and the media is eating it up as expected. 1/3/2018 3:57:18 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
In all honesty, a lot of the MSM quoting this book and talking about dementia is making me really uncomfortable.
I actually think he is in decline but not because of some known attention grabbers book. 1/4/2018 9:18:33 AM |
Cherokee All American 8264 Posts user info edit post |
https://www.axios.com/how-michael-wolff-did-it-2522360813.html 1/4/2018 11:45:24 AM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
^^ all the instances where the talk about how trump repeats stories over and over, that is textbook dementia and if you have a family member with alzheimers all of those stories will sound very familiar to you 1/4/2018 11:53:30 AM |
A Tanzarian drip drip boom 10995 Posts user info edit post |
Don't disagree, but declaring a President mentally incompetent to forcefully remove them from office is a very dangerous precedent. Trump making it through a full term and losing reelection is by far the best option. 1/4/2018 12:25:53 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
well we could have listened to carter and setup up an independent group to look at these kinds of things, but i think a clearly mentally compromised president making nuclear threads is much scarier than any precedent. i don't think they could have thought of a president like donald trump when they passed the 25th amendment, but i don't understand why it shouldn't be used when a president is so clearly mentally compromised. 1/4/2018 12:45:54 PM |
moron All American 34078 Posts user info edit post |
^^
That’s moronic thinking, at least in the Trump era
If it’s allowed by law and Constitution it should be considered. Do you really want to sit through extra years of trump if it can be avoided?
It’s not normal for a reality tv star to be president, it’s not normal to fire the head of the fbi investigating you.
Restraining yourself from doing what you’re allowed to do because it doesn’t seem “normal” or you might hurt some feelings is how shamelessly corrupt people manipulate others. 1/4/2018 1:13:58 PM |
Cherokee All American 8264 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "ut declaring a President mentally incompetent to forcefully remove them from office is a very dangerous precedent" |
It's not really a dangerous "precedent," the Constitution (via the 25th Amendment) is settled on this. Don't forget it was an amendment and not some random EO or bill passed. States actually had to ratify this.
Agree with dtownral and considering what it takes for it to happen (in terms of how many people and the procedures and such) it would not concern me one bit if it was used here (or quite frankly in any other circumstance). I think it was established with enough safeguards to prevent an outright coup, not to mention the fact that whoever takes over still has to go through the electoral process the next time around.1/4/2018 1:14:37 PM |
Shrike All American 9594 Posts user info edit post |
The problem is that unless he is actually physically incapacitated, he can challenge it. Then 2/3s of both Houses of Congress would need to uphold the declaration that he's unable to perform the duties. That's actually a higher bar than impeachment. Would never happen.
Besides, his cadre of sycophants and traitors would never do such a thing. Just look those cabinet circle jerks he has every few months, where they all take turns kissing the ring.
[Edited on January 4, 2018 at 1:17 PM. Reason : .] 1/4/2018 1:14:55 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
i understand practically that it doesn't have support, i'm just saying that being worried about precedent isn't a good reason not to want to use the 25th
if trump had a stroke there wouldn't be any discussion on if the 25th was applicable, but because he has a disease that presents itself slowly and gradually we have to pretend like it only applies to physical disabilities?
[Edited on January 4, 2018 at 1:24 PM. Reason : .] 1/4/2018 1:20:36 PM |
Cherokee All American 8264 Posts user info edit post |
^ 1/4/2018 2:03:41 PM |
Exiled Eyes up here ^^ 5918 Posts user info edit post |
Is anyone besides his narrowing base pretending this isn't dementia? I think you give too much credit to Republican Congresspeople who would never make that move as long as Trump's (mostly) supporting their agenda. 1/4/2018 2:38:49 PM |
Cherokee All American 8264 Posts user info edit post |
Oh I definitely agree that getting them to do it is another issue. House Republicans are pretty much lock step with him, all the way up to Paul Ryan.
Even Senate GOP is concerning. Lindsey Graham is looking for a special counsel to investigate the dossier. That shit doesn't even compute. 1/4/2018 2:40:11 PM |
A Tanzarian drip drip boom 10995 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "when a president is so clearly mentally compromised." |
It seems clear to you.
It's clear to others that Trump is a master manipulator playing nth dimension chess.
It was clear to a lot of people that Teri Schiavo had a functioning brain.1/4/2018 6:06:16 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
Every expert who watches Trump will easily notice his decreased verbal skills and vocabulary, there is no question or debate
Additionally the whole point of the 25th amendment is that it isn't easy, so multiple important people would need to agree
tl;dr worrying about precedent is nonsense
[Edited on January 4, 2018 at 7:45 PM. Reason : .] 1/4/2018 7:44:28 PM |
beatsunc All American 10740 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Trump is a master manipulator playing nth dimension chess." |
or good cop bad cop with tillerson1/4/2018 7:45:37 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "That shit doesn't even compute." |
As soon as you realize that republicans ideologically want to destroy this country it all makes sense, they are okay risking Trump in office as long as he will sign their bills1/4/2018 7:47:40 PM |
A Tanzarian drip drip boom 10995 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Every expert who watches Trump will easily notice his decreased verbal skills and vocabulary, there is no question or debate" |
The 25th amendment doesn't say anything about verbal skills or vocabulary. Its standard is "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" and Trump does not unambiguously meet that standard.1/5/2018 12:39:24 AM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
It's a sign of dementia, and you skipped the more important part of my point 1/5/2018 5:56:20 AM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
Did people honestly not understand who Donald Trump was before this book? WTF? Media acting like it’s some revelation the President acts like a child. FFS, he literally wished the haters and losers a happy 9/11. 1/5/2018 7:50:13 AM |
nacstate All American 3785 Posts user info edit post |
According to SHS nobody is interested in this book while it's a number one best seller. I bought one just because. 1/5/2018 11:07:00 PM |
synapse play so hard 60935 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "As soon as you realize that republicans ideologically want to destroy this country" |
1/5/2018 11:54:22 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
they want to make everything bad so they can say it doesn't work
they are unpatriotic cunts who want to make america terrible 1/5/2018 11:58:30 PM |
synapse play so hard 60935 Posts user info edit post |
That's not how it works. 1/6/2018 2:43:51 AM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39221 Posts user info edit post |
they want everything to be for profit and profit only
it’s exactly how it works 1/6/2018 2:52:54 AM |
rjrumfel All American 22996 Posts user info edit post |
I don't understand why it is so out of the realm of possibility for some people that we have a man in his 70's that might be showing signs of dementia. It happens.
Look at Ronald Reagan. He got out before it really set in, but had he been around much longer, we would have seen signs. 1/6/2018 9:39:38 AM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
Reagan had full-on Alzheimers before he left office 1/6/2018 10:46:49 AM |
synapse play so hard 60935 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "they want everything to be for profit and profit only
it’s exactly how it works" |
Profits != "make everything bad"
Pro-business != "Want to destroy this country"1/6/2018 11:56:21 AM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39221 Posts user info edit post |
makes everything bad for those who don’t get any of the profits 1/6/2018 12:33:36 PM |
Cherokee All American 8264 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/06/politics/donald-trump-white-house-fitness-very-stable-genius/index.html
Quote : | ""Actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart," the President continued" |
Quote : | "I went from VERY successful businessman, to top T.V. Star ... to President of the United States (on my first try). I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius ... and a very stable genius at that!"" |
1/6/2018 12:44:21 PM |
mkcarter PLAY SO HARD 4368 Posts user info edit post |
The man’s penis is like, literally .002” long 1/6/2018 12:47:25 PM |
Cherokee All American 8264 Posts user info edit post |
1/6/2018 12:57:04 PM |
synapse play so hard 60935 Posts user info edit post |
^^^^ it'll trickle down. 1/6/2018 1:15:36 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39221 Posts user info edit post |
mmhmm
just like it did in Kansas 1/6/2018 1:24:49 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
I, too, am a very stable genius.
There is a not insignificant chance he can be goaded into taking a live IQ test. 1/6/2018 1:31:39 PM |
Cherokee All American 8264 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/06/politics/steve-bannon-donald-trump-michael-wolff-white-house/index.html
This is how you know they're all just lying 100% of the time. Bannon was going to call Don Jr. a patriot. Instead, after being attacked, he called him a traitor. Zero care about facts. 1/6/2018 7:32:22 PM |
tulsigabbard Suspended 2953 Posts user info edit post |
^^lmao, told you he was a genius 1/6/2018 10:32:36 PM |
nacstate All American 3785 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Michael Wolff took my remarks about Don Jr. out of context to sell his book" |
So Bannon isn't denying that he said the meeting was treasonous and unpatriotic.
[Edited on January 7, 2018 at 12:25 AM. Reason : Quote]1/7/2018 12:24:09 AM |
mkcarter PLAY SO HARD 4368 Posts user info edit post |
Earl=Stephen miller? 1/7/2018 3:20:30 PM |
Cherokee All American 8264 Posts user info edit post |
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/bannon-backtracks-trump-jr-criticism-affirms-loyalty-after-getting-heat-n835396
Utterly comical. 1/7/2018 5:27:57 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
https://www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-sneak-peek-a7c58480-bc9e-4580-93c1-6358a6102b93.html?chunk=0&utm_term=emshare#story0
Remember that time that this fraud and conman made his stamina a central theme in his candidacy? This KFC/McDonalds eating shitbag can’t even bother to start working until 11. Makes sense, though, what with his life twitter about Fox and Friends every morning.. 1/7/2018 7:00:38 PM |
rjrumfel All American 22996 Posts user info edit post |
You know, regardless of whether this Wolff guy's book is fiction or non-fiction, the right is saying that it is an attack on the presidency. Sure, ok whatever.
Anybody remember those movies that came out regarding Obama's treason? I mean this is all just part of the game. If Trump and his people just ignored it, like Obama ignored most of his negative press, it would just go away.
Of course they all like fanning the flames, it's what they do. 1/8/2018 10:08:41 AM |
BEU All American 12512 Posts user info edit post |
Morning Joe interview with Fire and Fury author is fantastic. Addresses some of the obvious errors in 'reporting' 1/8/2018 11:33:25 AM |
Cherokee All American 8264 Posts user info edit post |
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/initial-talks-underway-about-trump-interview-mueller-russia-probe-n835506 1/8/2018 12:36:31 PM |
Pupils DiL8t All American 4959 Posts user info edit post |
I feel like the most awkward part of Trump's appearance during the national anthem is that he would smile anytime that the crowd would cheer, as if the entire crowd was cheering for him.
It's similar to how, when he addressed both chambers of Congress, he would say, "Thank you," anytime Congress applauded his statements, as if they were actually applauding him. 1/9/2018 10:02:17 AM |
Cherokee All American 8264 Posts user info edit post |
Alright at this point I need to concede on the points I was trying to make about how he spends his time.
1/10/2018 6:52:43 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
More of that 12-D chess.
When live tweeting Fox and Friends undermines your own position maybe it’s time to take a break from twitter.. 1/11/2018 8:41:03 AM |
rjrumfel All American 22996 Posts user info edit post |
Did Reagan really have Alzheimer's in office?
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/09/opinions/reagan-didnt-have-alzheimers-while-in-office-opinion-heubusch-shirley/index.html 1/11/2018 10:20:22 AM |