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"all i see are obama stickers cutting me off and turning without signals"

I had to drive behind an Obama sticker all the way to 40 this morning. Then the idiot driver speeds UP to 40 on the on ramp.

[Edited on September 25, 2012 at 10:51 AM. Reason : why I hate stickers on cars, I automatically judge you.]

9/25/2012 10:51:26 AM

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"That's because they're common sense."

Just as mine are.

[Edited on September 25, 2012 at 10:52 AM. Reason : .]

9/25/2012 10:51:42 AM

I'm not saying the laws aren't outdated. But they are the laws. I think they could definitely stand to be updated. Regardless, if someone is following the law and you don't like how they're doing it, YOU'RE THE ASSHOLE.

9/25/2012 10:53:19 AM

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_20/GS_20-146.html

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" § 20-146. Drive on right side of highway; exceptions. (a) Upon all highways of sufficient width a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the highway except as follows: (1) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing such movement; (2) When an obstruction exists making it necessary to drive to the left of the center of the highway; provided, any person so doing shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles traveling in the proper direction upon the unobstructed portion of the highway within such distance as to constitute an immediate hazard; (3) Upon a highway divided into three marked lanes for traffic under the rules applicable thereon; or (4) Upon a highway designated and signposted for one-way traffic. (b) Upon all highways any vehicle proceeding at less than the legal maximum speed limit shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for thru traffic, or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the highway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn. (c) Upon any highway having four or more lanes for moving traffic and providing for two-way movement of traffic, no vehicle shall be driven to the left of the centerline of the highway, except when authorized by official traffic-control devices designating certain lanes to the left side of the center of the highway for use by traffic not otherwise permitted to use such lanes or except as permitted under subsection (a)(2) hereof. (d) Whenever any street has been divided into two or more clearly marked lanes for traffic, the following rules in addition to all others consistent herewith shall apply. (1) A vehicle shall be driven as nearly as practicable entirely within a single lane and shall not be moved from such lane until the driver has first ascertained that such movement can be made with safety. (2) Upon a street which is divided into three or more lanes and provides for the two-way movement of traffic, a vehicle shall not be driven in the center lane except when overtaking and passing another vehicle traveling in the same direction when such center lane is clear of traffic within a safe distance, or in the preparation for making a left turn or where such center lane is at the time allocated exclusively to traffic moving in the same direction that the vehicle is proceeding and such allocation is designated by official traffic-control device. (3) Official traffic-control devices may be erected directing specified traffic to use a designated lane or designating those lanes to be used by traffic moving in a particular direction regardless of the center of the street and drivers of vehicles shall obey the direction of every such device. (4) Official traffic-control devices may be installed prohibiting the changing of lanes on sections of streets, and drivers of vehicles shall obey the directions of every such device. (e) Notwithstanding any other provisions of this section, when appropriate signs have been posted, it shall be unlawful for any person to operate a motor vehicle over and upon the inside lane, next to the median of any dual-lane highway at a speed less than the posted speed limit when the operation of said motor vehicle over and upon said inside lane shall impede the steady flow of traffic except when preparing for a left turn. "Appropriate signs" as used herein shall be construed as including "Slower Traffic Keep Right" or designations of similar import. (1937, c. 407, s. 108; 1965, c. 678, s. 2; 1973, c. 1330, s. 3; 1975, c. 593; 1985, c. 764, s. 25; 1985 (Reg. Sess., 1986), c. 852, s. 17; 2001-487, s. 11.)"

[Edited on September 25, 2012 at 10:54 AM. Reason : .]

9/25/2012 10:54:00 AM

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"slow traffic moving to the right and leaving passing lanes open isn't about speeding as much as it is about keeping traffic going, not creating rolling roadblocks that bunch up traffic, which are all ultimately about safety. It's much safer to allow traffic to flow than to bunch it up and cause passing on the right situations. Common sense, no "i love to speed" bias involved"

Exactly.



...and I guess in NC and a few other states, you can legally be in the left lane unless you're going below the speed limit (although the limits are so absurdly, artificially low as to render this law pointless). At any rate, legal or not, this makes you one of the biggest hazards on the road.

[Edited on September 25, 2012 at 11:03 AM. Reason : ^ was right the first time. Keep right, you motherless fucks.]

9/25/2012 11:00:05 AM

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"Regardless, if someone is following the law and you don't like how they're doing it, YOU'RE THE ASSHOLE."

No. They need to get the fuck out of the way. It's not their job to police the highway. By doing so they are just as big an asshole as the person tailgating them.

9/25/2012 11:01:00 AM

^^ In NC you are only required by law to move to the right if you are going UNDER the speed limit. The law needs to read that you are required to move right after passing, regardless of speed.

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"(b) Upon all highways any vehicle proceeding at less than the legal maximum speed limit shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for thru traffic, or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the highway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn."

^ Just because the law doesn't make it illegal, it doesn't mean that it doesn't obstruct traffic and create unsafe situations. You're still a dick for going exactly the speed limit in the left lane even though its legal to do.



[Edited on September 25, 2012 at 11:05 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on September 25, 2012 at 11:06 AM. Reason : .]

9/25/2012 11:01:07 AM

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"No. They need to get the fuck out of the way. It's not their job to police the highway. By doing so they are just as big an asshole as the person tailgating them."

100% unequivocally FALSE.

9/25/2012 11:13:17 AM

100% true

9/25/2012 11:13:42 AM

If someone is following the law regarding traffic and you are breaking it. You are the asshole. If you don't like it, get the law changed.

9/25/2012 11:14:51 AM

It's legal for me to call your mother an old wrinkly woman who smells like mothballs, but I'd still be a dick if I did it. Just because something isn't illegal, doesn't mean you're not a dick if you do it.

9/25/2012 11:19:48 AM

Freedom of Speech = Traffic Laws to prevent fatalities.

9/25/2012 11:20:34 AM

Why do bmws even have turn signals?

9/25/2012 11:22:26 AM

We all break laws once in a while, Mr. I am stoned.

9/25/2012 11:23:01 AM

Yes, but the ones I tend to break do not endanger other people at all.

9/25/2012 11:23:33 AM

bunching up traffic is unsafe, thus, you are a dick if you do it

9/25/2012 11:24:35 AM

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"^^ In NC you are only required by law to move to the right if you are going UNDER the speed limit. The law needs to read that you are required to move right after passing, regardless of speed."

How are you interpreting the law that way?

It seems to me that the law states positively, and then reaffirms negatively, that you must keep right.

[Edited on September 25, 2012 at 11:25 AM. Reason : ^and right, regardless, you are dangerous. more dangerous than the vast majority of speeders.]

9/25/2012 11:24:41 AM

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"Yes, but the ones I tend to break do not endanger other people at all."

How does me going 5 mph over the speed limit in the left lane endanger anyone else if I am doing it in a safe manner?

Usually it's about 9 mph in the left lane, or with the flow of traffic, but you're talking about breaking the law, so I guess you don't even go 1mph over the speed limit?

[Edited on September 25, 2012 at 11:26 AM. Reason : ]

9/25/2012 11:24:51 AM

[Edited on September 25, 2012 at 11:28 AM. Reason : fsd]

9/25/2012 11:25:07 AM

I never said speeding was wrong. I said that if you are pissed off that someone else is following the law that you are the asshole in question. If traffic is open and flowing, speed away. I speed sometimes too. But I don't tailgate people unless they're going under the speed limit.

I fully support ^ flow chart.

[Edited on September 25, 2012 at 11:29 AM. Reason : ]

9/25/2012 11:28:34 AM

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"How are you interpreting the law that way? It seems to me that the law states positively, and then reaffirms negatively, that you must keep right."

read it again, I'm guessing you are mixing up right side of a center line with right-most lane in multi-lane highway. It clearly states you only need to move over if you are under the speed limit, North Carolina gets a poor score by many traffic safety organizations on this issue because of it.

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"But I don't tailgate people unless they're going under the speed limit."

But you just said you don't break the law in ways that endanger people. This both breaks the law and endangers people.

[Edited on September 25, 2012 at 11:32 AM. Reason : .]

9/25/2012 11:30:54 AM

are you an immature, arrogant, selfish boor with an authority issue? Stop by your local bmw dealer today for a test drive. Then launch that rocket to the moon and never return!




I know someone with a bmw and they've been in more minor accidents and had their car hit and run in the parking lot more times than everyone else I know put together. Theyve spent more on bodywork than I paid for my car.



Im renting a mazda this week and other mazdas keep trying to race, haha. The poor man's douchemobile, but fairly fun to drive at least!

9/25/2012 11:33:57 AM

I don't feel bad about cruising in the middle lanes if there are open lanes to the left of me for the maniacs to pass by. I usually do about 9 over the limit.

9/25/2012 11:35:09 AM

got behind a 3 series coupe yesterday on the east side of 540 between capital and 264.

mother fucker was going like 85, then when he got up beside me slowed down to 75 (the speed I was going) and just sat there. of course a car was in my lane that I wanted to pass and I had no space in the rightmost lane so now i am stuck with this faggy 3 series sitting right beside me slowing down to the speed of the car in front of me.

WTF

9/25/2012 12:18:17 PM

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"I know someone with a bmw and they've been in more minor accidents and had their car hit and run in the parking lot more times than everyone else I know put together. Theyve spent more on bodywork than I paid for my car."

Yay sample size of one!

9/25/2012 12:25:09 PM

of course it's anecdotal, but I find the prospect of paying 2k for a bumper 5 times pretty hilarious. On the other hand, I also know a beamer lover who is scared to go over 70.





Oh, and bunching up on the highway isnt caused by a car going 5 mph slower than you think it should to pass. It is caused by the impatient morons behind who fail to maintain proper following distance and fags who tthink they can magically pass all the slow cars by cutting the line

[Edited on September 25, 2012 at 12:36 PM. Reason : "defensive" driving is now about defending your position rather than proper distances ]

9/25/2012 12:31:20 PM

If we are talking about paying for body damage for dumb things, let me introduce you to the father of every female driver I have ever met

9/25/2012 12:34:30 PM

One thing this does not account for is if someone is behind you wanting to go faster than you currently are. Even if you are passing people, get over and let the guy behind you pass faster, then get in behind them. Don't sit in the left lane going 76 to pass several people going 70 while blocking the guy behind you trying to go 85. get right, then get in behind them.

9/25/2012 12:37:23 PM

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"Oh, and bunching up on the highway isnt caused by a car going 5 mph slower than you think it should to pass. It is caused by the impatient morons behind who fail to maintain proper following distance and fags who tthink they can magically pass all the slow cars by cutting the line "

actually, all of those things cause it.

and depending on what you mean by the last thing, you might be wrong. To merge, when lane ending or onramp, merging traffic should move into the gaps in the flow of traffic. When people get over too early and then get mad at people who used the entire lane and quickly move up to tailgate the car in front of them so that the traffic from the merging lane can't get in... all that does it slow down everyone. The best flow would be if everyone used all of the available merging lane and merged into the open gaps. Its people who contantly stop-start to prevent people from merging. I just put it in 1st or 2nd and crawl along, if i play it right i never even have to brake.

9/25/2012 12:41:10 PM

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"The best flow would be if everyone used all of the available merging lane and merged into the open gaps"

I thought I liked you until this. Get the fuck over when the sign says "lane ends". If everyone in that lane was looking for a spot to get over I would agree with you, but most fuckers just ignore it because they don't want to sit in line like everyone else. Then they get to the end and everyone is fucked.

9/25/2012 12:44:09 PM

But that is worse for everyone, the line is so big because people don't do it right

[Edited on September 25, 2012 at 12:45 PM. Reason : .]

9/25/2012 12:44:41 PM

I think everyone would be better if people merged when the signs said to merge. ideally no one would ever make it to the end of the lane that is ending

9/25/2012 12:48:14 PM

But then you just move the choke point from where the lane ends to where the sign is. The sign is to notify traffic in lane a that they should expect traffic from lane b to merge.

Merging at the sign = merging where the lane ends. What you should do, is leave a gap between you and the car in front of you, and allow traffic to zipper together.

http://www.thedeets.com/2009/08/16/zipper-method-traffic-merging-comprehension-issues/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCLF2tyW0TU&feature=relmfu

obviously we are talking about situations with traffic so zipper merge > early merge

It's safer AND reduces congestion. Maybe we can get some traffic design people to weigh in.

[Edited on September 25, 2012 at 12:56 PM. Reason : .]

9/25/2012 12:55:12 PM

We're getting too far away from the subject matter.

BMW drivers are fucking awful.

9/25/2012 1:01:01 PM

What this thread should make clear, is that people who think BMW drivers are terrible probably are terrible drivers themselves

9/25/2012 1:01:59 PM

^^^ i think we are saying the same thing now. You agree no one should make it to the end of the lane. I don't think people should stop at the sign and try to merge from a stop. We are in agreement.

9/25/2012 1:09:26 PM

No, some people definitely should make it to the end of the lane. In zipper merging, some will. It's how you utilize all available roadway and reduce congestion size.

9/25/2012 1:10:32 PM

If you consider yourself a safe driver than you must also be a considerate driver. If you're blocking the left lane because you think it's your right to be in that lane then you're being an inconsiderate fuck.

I stay the hell out of the left lane when I'm not passing someone because I know how much it pisses me off to be in the same situation. The worst thing is that half of the left lane offenders are too fucking oblivious to even realize they're blocking. In other words, they're not aware of their surroundings and are a hazard to everyone around them. When you're driving down the interstate you should constantly be aware of the vehicles around you and approximately what amount of speed differential exists between you and them. If you can't manage to do that you are a danger behind the wheel.

9/25/2012 1:36:33 PM

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"One thing this does not account for is if someone is behind you wanting to go faster than you currently are. Even if you are passing people, get over and let the guy behind you pass faster, then get in behind them. Don't sit in the left lane going 76 to pass several people going 70 while blocking the guy behind you trying to go 85. get right, then get in behind them."

I don't agree with this. The situation here is about convenience. Say the speed limit is 65. I am in the left lane in the car going 76, trying to pass a group of four cars going 70. A driver comes up behind me at 85. Now, I could follow this advice and merge right into the first available gap, slow to 70, let the other driver pass, and then get left again and speed back up to 76 until I have passed. In that case, I have inconvenienced myself to benefit the other driver. Or, I could stay at 76 until I have passed the remaining cars in the cluster, then merge right and stay there and let the driver who was going 85 accelerate back to his preferred speed. In that case I have inconvenienced the other driver.

So if it's a choice between my inconvenience or his inconvenience, given the fact that I had position first anyway, I'm going to let him slow down for the moment it takes me to complete my pass. Now, if the prevailing speed in the left lane is 85, it's a different story as I would be stacking traffic up to complete a multi-car pass, which is rather a dick move. But for one driver--you can wait.

9/25/2012 1:59:32 PM

I could be wrong but i thought in general all of the rulez of the road were there so that you inconvenienced other people as little as possible regardless of everything else.

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

9/25/2012 2:01:16 PM

True. It's really common sense though. If the hypothetical group of cars are right there together and it's going to be a pain in the ass for me to merge in, I'm not going to do it. If the "group" of cars are spaced out with a big gap in between each, then I'll get over to the right. But that's not really a group to me.

9/25/2012 2:12:41 PM

I understand your argument.

Slowing someone down (the guy going 85) for 15 seconds to pass one additional car is different than riding in that left lane for 10 minutes because there are more cars in your vision that you could potentially pass in the future.

9/25/2012 2:19:19 PM

^&^^I would say in that situation the driver going 85 should be observant enough to see that you are passing the other cars at a good speed differential and just be patient for those precious few seconds. And if he's not and tailgates you, well I consider that a dick move personally.

9/25/2012 2:21:28 PM

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"I would say in that situation the driver going 85 should be observant enough to see that you are passing the other cars at a good speed differential and just be patient for those precious few seconds. And if he's not and tailgates you, well I consider that a dick move personally."

Agreed.

9/25/2012 2:28:53 PM

Sometimes I drive really slow on the highway just to troll. Never in the left lane. People get so mad lol. Sorry dude did i make you 30 seconds late for that job you fucking hate?

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

9/25/2012 2:30:58 PM

I did today too'ad someone tailgating me on a two lane country road with plenty of dotted lines when I was going 10 over and they would never pass, so I slowed down to 5 under and they still wouldnt pass. Pussies.

9/25/2012 3:29:51 PM

I try my best not to piss off other drivers...obviously, I'm not always successful. But I always chuckle a little when I see somebody aggressively tailgating me and trying to get around me (as I'm passing someone or unable to get over to the right lane) and later once I exit off the interstate I'm right behind them at the light/stop sign. All that frustration and anger just to gain a few seconds.

9/25/2012 3:49:16 PM

haha. Thats a great time to wave!

9/25/2012 4:45:28 PM

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"]Douchey if you're the one in the way, doing something you shouldn't be (now, if you just moved over to the left lane, didn't cut anyone off, and are passing someone and about to move back over to the right, then that's different)."

I try my very best to not cut anyone off. If my only offense is not going the speed you want me to, then how am I douche when the person doing the tailgating is the one endangering my life? Right...

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"Oh, and hope your car doesn't have a crash data recorder."

Why? Hitting my brakes is not illegal. Jamming on my brakes is not illegal. That's why if you're following someone you're supposed to leave enough distance in front of you to allow for the car your following to coming to an emergency stop. If you don't, then you're tailgating and if you hit them, it's your fault. Proving that the person jammed on the brakes just to be a dick is damn near impossible to prove. But what is possible to prove is tailgating/not paying attention.

9/25/2012 6:09:33 PM

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"I try my very best to not cut anyone off. If my only offense is not going the speed you want me to, then how am I douche when the person doing the tailgating is the one endangering my life? Right..."

This is what I've been saying the ENTIRE time.

9/25/2012 7:08:43 PM