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The Coz
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California is not raking their forests like they should!

8/31/2022 10:40:28 AM

utowncha
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well, they dont manage their forests correctly, but climate change just exacerbates those consequences.

8/31/2022 10:43:23 AM

Bullet
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd8mohXiIu0

(rake the floor)

8/31/2022 10:45:47 AM

The Coz
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Come to think of it, Oregon and Idaho and Arizona and New Mexico and Colorado better start raking as well.

8/31/2022 11:10:23 AM

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" California's entire central valley was flooded 150 years ago. I bet that was humanity's fault as well."


why are you so committed to being a denialist?

8/31/2022 1:35:55 PM

Pupils DiL8t
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IPCC's AR6 Synthesis Report: Climate Change 2023

https://report.ipcc.ch/ar6syr/pdf/IPCC_AR6_SYR_SPM.pdf

3/22/2023 12:40:00 PM

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Biden didn't help anything by approving the Willow Project in Alaska.

3/22/2023 5:52:07 PM

Pupils DiL8t
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The way that people rally around fossil fuels at even a modest increase in energy prices doesn't provide much hope for the future.

3/23/2023 8:05:12 AM

The Coz
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Stop subsidizing fossil fuels.

3/23/2023 9:44:43 AM

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http://web.archive.org/web/20120728113033/www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2011/1101.leonard-2.html

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"Last year, the Obama administration made a noble run at cutting oil and gas subsidies. Republicans in Congress shut down that effort."


https://www.technologyreview.com/2011/03/23/196198/ethanol-blamed-for-record-food-prices/#:~:text=Demand%20for%20ethanol%20from%20corn,started%20tracking%20prices%20in%201990.

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"The increased production of ethanol has a large impact on corn prices, not only because it’s a major source of demand, but also because the demand is fixed."


https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/are-corn-subsidies-making-us-fat-#:~:text=The%20people%20who%20ate%20the,higher%20risk%20of%20abnormal%20cholesterol.

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"The people who ate the most subsidized food had a 41 percent greater risk of belly fat, 37 percent high risk of obesity, 34 percent higher risk for elevated inflammation, and 14 percent higher risk of abnormal cholesterol."


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Subsidies are often useful when they're first introduced for a certain purpose. But the problem with the dynamic between government and industry is that once they are introduced, most of the time, it is very hard to make them go away.

[Edited on March 23, 2023 at 11:44 AM. Reason : .]

3/23/2023 11:42:56 AM

Bullet
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https://www.wral.com/story/global-heat-is-just-the-latest-2023-extreme-that-shows-an-earth-in-crisis/20942838/


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"The past three days have each broken or tied records as the Earth's hottest day since at least 1979 and likely far longer, according to National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration data, accessible via a University of Maine website."

7/6/2023 3:02:32 PM

The Coz
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I don't ask this to try to somehow debunk the claims being made, but I admit to being ignorant about how global average temperature can be established with confidence, especially historically. Wouldn't this depend on the number and the even distribution of measuring stations across the whole surface of the earth?

7/6/2023 3:52:29 PM

rwoody
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Maybe this?
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/blogs/national-museum-of-natural-history/2018/03/23/heres-how-scientists-reconstruct-earths-past-climates/

7/6/2023 7:25:00 PM

rwoody
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Since you responded so enthusiastically to that one, heres another for free!!
https://what-if.xkcd.com/132/

This isn't specifically about your question but does talk about how you can measure average temperature for an area by just measuring the temperature of ground water. Science is neat!

7/7/2023 5:05:46 PM

rwoody
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Another good one
https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/156rt4d/eli5_how_can_scientists_accurately_know_the/jt1ci8s

7/23/2023 1:09:46 AM

The Coz
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How do we take a global average temperature? And does every point on Earth get equal weighting? Only land areas? Only sea level? Surely not. It's hot, though.

7/23/2023 10:56:43 AM

Pupils DiL8t
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/25/world/gulf-stream-atlantic-current-collapse-climate-scn-intl/index.html

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"A new study published Tuesday in the journal Nature, found that the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Current – of which the Gulf Stream is a part – could collapse around the middle of the century, or even as early as 2025...

The AMOC is a complex tangle of currents that works like a giant global conveyor belt. It transports warm water from the tropics toward the North Atlantic, where the water cools, becomes saltier and sinks deep into the ocean, before spreading southwards.

It plays a crucial role in the climate system, helping regulate global weather patterns. Its collapse would have enormous implications, including much more extreme winters and sea level rises affecting parts of Europe and the US, and a shifting of the monsoon in the tropics.

For years, scientists have been warning of its instability as the climate crisis accelerates, threatening to upset the balance of temperature and salinity on which the strength of these currents depend.

As the oceans heat up and ice melts, more freshwater flows into the ocean and reduces the water's density, making it less able to sink. When waters become too fresh, too warm or both, the conveyor belt stops...

They found 'early warning signals' of critical changes in the AMOC, which led them to predict 'with high confidence' that it could shut down or collapse as early as 2025 and no later than 2095. The likeliest point of collapse is somewhere between 2039 and 2070, Ditlevsen said."



Warning of a forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-39810-w#Sec2

7/25/2023 6:16:58 PM

moron
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They can just burn more coal and gas if they’re so cold

7/26/2023 10:34:09 AM

Bullet
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https://www.npr.org/2023/08/14/1193723648/just-how-hot-was-july-hotter-than-anything-on-record

8/15/2023 9:39:39 AM

Bullet
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https://www.npr.org/2025/04/29/nx-s1-5380816/climate-assessment-authors-released

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"The Trump Administration has dismissed the scientists working on the country's flagship climate report, a move that threatens to curtail climate science and make information about global warming less available to the public.

The National Climate Assessment is the most trustworthy and comprehensive source of information about how global warming affects the United States. It answers common questions about how quickly sea levels are rising near American cities, how much rain is normal for different regions and how to deal with wildfire smoke exposure.

The assessment is mandated by Congress, and its sixth edition was supposed to be released in late 2027. About 400 volunteer authors had already started work. They included top scientists as well as economists, tribal leaders and climate experts from non-profit groups and corporations.

On Tuesday, the authors received an email releasing them from their roles, and saying "the scope of the [National Climate Assessment] is currently being reevaluated."

The White House did not respond to questions about why the authors were dismissed or what elements of the report's scope are being reassessed.

"I think the reason that Americans should be upset, and should be concerned about this decision, is because it's more than just a report," says Dave White, a sustainability researcher at Arizona State University who has worked on two previous editions of the National Climate Assessment.

The assessment is widely used by everyone from city planners to farmers to judges. "For example, city water utilities [use it] as they prepare to address the impacts of sustained drought," White says. And "it informs elementary schools as they develop heat mitigation plans to reduce the risks of extreme heat on children."

The last edition of the climate assessment, which was released in late 2023, also included an online atlas that allowed anyone to zoom in and see how climate change will affect their local community.

"It's important to understand what and who is at risk," explains Rachel Cleetus of the Union of Concerned Scientists, one of the authors who was dismissed. "Not just in a general sense, but in a very localized sense. Without that information, we'd be flying blind."

For example, Cleetus was supposed to work on the assessment chapter about sea level rise and other coastal effects of a warmer planet. Sea level rise is accelerating overall, but the water is rising radically different amounts in different cities around the U.S.

Congress requires that the National Climate Assessment come out every four years, although it has not always been published on time under previous Republican administrations. In 2008, the George W. Bush administration released an edition of the assessment four years late, and only after it was compelled to do so by a lawsuit.

And there were signs even before President Trump took office that his administration might seek to undermine the latest edition of the assessment. Russell Vought, who now leads the White House Office of Management and Budget, previously advocated for major changes to the office that oversees the National Climate Assessment."

4/30/2025 10:55:20 AM

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