That's my whole point, actual nazis were just normal looking dudes. What do you expect a nazi would look like?

[Edited on September 16, 2025 at 1:59 PM. Reason : What a strange argument ]

9/16/2025 1:59:01 PM

^ The ones when we were in college were virgins til married, married in college or just after and liked the trad wife thing before it was an internet meme. I assume they are, likely, nazis to Moron and TGL because they want a conservative girl that "submits." A 1990s FCA member response would be, follow Jesus, do you want to go to church, to any behavior they disagreed with.

9/16/2025 2:09:03 PM

What are you talking about man

9/16/2025 2:11:48 PM

Yeah, I can't follow his train of thought half the time and just gloss over a lot of his posts.

9/16/2025 2:18:26 PM

I literally have never called anyone a nazi on this board in 20+ years

dude just invents shit to argue

9/16/2025 2:24:43 PM

That moron and definitely TGL think a standard 1999 college age conservative is a Nazi today in 2025.

[Edited on September 16, 2025 at 2:25 PM. Reason : maybe not]

9/16/2025 2:25:34 PM

What makes you think they couldn't be??

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"What do you expect a nazi would look like?"

9/16/2025 2:29:33 PM

Because they are wet blankets, with some exceptions:

message_topic.aspx?topic=509336

Probably just my own personal experience projecting.

9/16/2025 5:00:55 PM

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"The ones when we were in college were virgins til married, married in college or just after and liked the trad wife thing before it was an internet meme."

Damn, you've really got the demographics of Nazis nailed down. Associate with a lot of them, did you?

9/16/2025 5:38:25 PM

Yes, read the thread I posted. lol and chill.

9/16/2025 5:51:55 PM

So your point is that this one guy you knew in college didn't seem like a nazi therefore case closed and you think that's convincing?

9/16/2025 5:56:27 PM

Depending on if guy got content and what you could prove, he probably could have ended up the sex offender registry. Which sounds exactly like the modern GOP.

9/16/2025 5:56:57 PM

^^ no that was a thread to laugh and he’s an exception, not exactly the type of person I was referring to.

9/16/2025 6:19:35 PM

It pays to review the trajectory of the GOP from 2008 to understand how a college GOP dweeb could morph into the nazi adjacent we have today. Eric Cantor (budget nerd) was about to be elected Minority Whip. The 2008 election autopsy suggested the GOP should move to pick up more Hispanic folks. Jon Boehner, (seems so quaint now), the freedom caucus, all come in the next few years. Until ~2014 ,the budget deficit, healthcare, and to a slightly lesser degree gay marriage were the major animating causes of conservatives (emphasis on the Obama budget battles IMO). It culminates with Paul Ryan (also a quaint moderate conservative by today’s standards) usurping Boehner for speaker so they could go after the deficit hard.

Around 2014, budget scare mongering got swapped out for “Great Replacement Theory” fear mongering. I assume because it’s effective and Paul Ryans austerity wasn’t actually popular. Don’t get me wrong, the bigotry was always latent, but it started being a talking point around that time (Trump would happen shortly after).

Gay marriage got dropped for Trans Panic. Obergfell would be decided in 2015. Pulse Night club shooting (first instance of falsely accusing a shooter of being Trans?) happens in 2016.

Healthcare just kinda faded into the background as the ACA was chipped down to nothing but most voters had already learned to like some of its features. Potentially the BBBill massive cuts to Medicaid could re-open this front in the next few years.

So imagine your standard college Republican commuting to work for the last 10 years with Patriot Radio constantly yammering about immigrant convoys and forced sex changes by woke Doctors.Now spending $100s of millions on Alligator Alcatraz and creating a de-facto gun registry for people the State labels as Trans seem like common sense ideas. Moldable like clay ….. you know……Morons.

[Edited on September 16, 2025 at 6:44 PM. Reason : I am also moron.]

9/16/2025 6:40:41 PM

and then, when they can't get a good job, you give them six figures to be a deputized thug

9/16/2025 8:25:59 PM

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" standard 1999 college age conservative"

what is a standard 1999 college age conservative?

[Edited on September 16, 2025 at 9:25 PM. Reason : or rather, what 'was']

9/16/2025 9:24:56 PM

this is my new favorite image

9/17/2025 10:31:01 AM

^To what is this referencing?

9/17/2025 1:05:55 PM

There are thousands of examples, pick your favorite. In regards to Kirk that list going around with the quotes a big one since you can literally just google each one and get the full context. Or just retweet it to fight fascism.

It even got Stephen King! https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/stephen-king-apologizes-charlie-kirk-stoning-gays-1236516429/

9/17/2025 1:23:00 PM

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"The initial claim by King was in reference to comments that Kirk had made on his podcast in 2024, in which Kirk criticized children’s YouTube star Ms. Rachel for citing God’s wish for Christians to “love thy neighbor” in Leviticus, saying that should include gay people. Kirk responded, “By the way, Ms. Rachel, you might want to crack open that Bible of yours. In a lesser reference, part of the same part of scripture, in Leviticus 18, is that ‘thou shall lay with another man shall be stoned to death.’ Just saying.”"

So, is Charlie saying that you shouldn't love your neighbor just because the bible says it?
Or is he saying that gays should be stoned to death because the bible says it?

9/17/2025 1:28:23 PM

^ Neither, he's pointing out that you can pick and chose quotes out of the bible.


Here's a excerpt where Kirk discusses gays and the involvement in the movement directly: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1967671619108901137

9/17/2025 1:33:37 PM

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"Neither, he's pointing out that you can pick and chose quotes out of the bible."

So he's saying Christians can pick and choose which quotes from the Bible they want to support/adhere to?

9/17/2025 1:44:50 PM

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"“I apologize for saying Charlie Kirk advocated stoning gays. What he actually demonstrated was how some people cherry-pick Biblical passages,” the 77-year-old author wrote on the social media platform X."

It was in the article. In addition, if you watch the above video he was stating all the gay people in the conservative movement like Thiel, Rubin, and others that are important and we should be reaching out to make allies.



[Edited on September 17, 2025 at 2:39 PM. Reason : a]

9/17/2025 2:32:40 PM

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"Neither, he's pointing out that you can pick and chose quotes out of the bible."

What do you base that on? It also seems consistent that he was merely presenting a clarification from the Bible that didn't actually contradict anything else. He's not picking and choosing quotes from the Bible, he's simply laying them all out and saying, "You forgot to include this one".

I mean, what is he rejecting? If he's not rejecting anything, that's not picking and choosing.

And FWIW, if you're basing you're assumption on the "Just saying" at the end, I don't see any contradiction there, either. Saying, "Just saying" doesn't exclude the possibility he believes it, too, on top of that.

9/17/2025 3:45:34 PM

^ Ok, then watch the posted video and see if he thinks Peter Thiel and Dave Rubin need to be stoned.

9/17/2025 4:14:54 PM

(so he does pick and choose?)

9/17/2025 4:20:16 PM

^^No, he doesn't seem to want THEM stoned. The question still stands, however: Maybe he doesn't want them killed simply because they're Trump supporters, too. Seriously. It would be far from the first time MAGA made such hypocritical distinctions (like hate speech from the right is tolerated, but from the left it is to be punished).

Please, walk me through the rest of your logic from here.

[Edited on September 17, 2025 at 4:24 PM. Reason : ^]

9/17/2025 4:24:20 PM

When he talked to Thiel, did he tell Thiel he was a sinner?

9/17/2025 4:42:00 PM

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"The question still stands, however: Maybe he doesn't want them killed simply because they're Trump supporters, too. Seriously. It would be far from the first time MAGA made such hypocritical distinctions (like hate speech from the right is tolerated, but from the left it is to be punished). Please, walk me through the rest of your logic from here."

Kirk's views on gays are clear in numerous sources, one of which I've posted twice. I'm not really interested in helping you break through your cognitive dissonance on this issue. The Trump right has numerous high profile people in the administration and outside that are figures in the movement that are gay. Some of the religious right in high positions have a tolerant/love your neighbor view on it and are accepting. Kirk seemed to be in that camp.

This is exactly what the qntmfred image is referring too. The piles of evidence: gay people in high positions in the administration, MAGA cheerleaders grifters and influencers that are gay, and Kirk's own words on the matter and you still fall back on, "HE IS JUST WAITING TO STEAL THEIR MONEY SO HE CAN STONE THEM TO DEATH."

^ He probably discussed the best helicopter door that will fit an obese blue haired reddit mod.

[Edited on September 17, 2025 at 4:48 PM. Reason : a]

9/17/2025 4:48:08 PM

^It's not cognitive dissonance...I barely know anything about Charlie Kirk. I don't even have enough knowledge of him to have cognitive dissonance.

And you still don't seem to understand the extent of MAGA hypocrisy. That hypocrisy exists whether you are right or wrong. To the extent that at this point, I can't rule out hypocrisy as a factor in anything.

I mean, for one obvious example, Trump himself talks about beating the hell out of the left, which includes LGBT left. For some people, being left wing trumps sexual orientation as being a character flaw. And being a Trump supporter trumps sexual orientation as being a character flaw for some, too.

I mean, it's clear there are black people in the Trump administration. They also clearly have some racist policies. Bigotry never follows logic.

9/17/2025 5:06:04 PM

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"And you still don't seem to understand the extent of MAGA hypocrisy. That hypocrisy exists whether you are right or wrong. To the extent that at this point, I can't rule out hypocrisy as a factor in anything."

Word salad and bringing up red herrings that don't relate to the point we were arguing about Charlie and his views are hallmarks of cognitive dissonance.

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" I mean, for one obvious example, Trump himself talks about beating the hell out of the left, which includes LGBT left. For some people, being left wing trumps sexual orientation as being a character flaw. And being a Trump supporter trumps sexual orientation as being a character flaw for some, too."

So when a football coach says his team is going to beat the hell out of the opposing team and the team has an LGBT player, does that mean he's being homophobic?

[Edited on September 17, 2025 at 5:14 PM. Reason : a]

9/17/2025 5:13:44 PM

It’s hilarious anyone is gullible enough to believe Kirk’s message was that “actually the Bible isn’t a good source of morality because you can just pick and choose to make it mean anything”

lol

9/17/2025 5:32:21 PM

^^You do realize there's a difference between a football coach talking about being the hell out of a opponent in their football game, versus a US president talking about beating the hell out of their political opponent, right? The two situations aren't even comparable. Or similar, really.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

[Edited on September 17, 2025 at 5:42 PM. Reason : ]

9/17/2025 5:41:44 PM

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"Word salad and bringing up red herrings that don't relate to the point we were arguing about Charlie and his views are hallmarks of cognitive dissonance."

Please direct my attention to the word salad and red herring.

9/17/2025 5:43:52 PM

^^^ The standard Christian view is that you are judged by God, and your choices are yours to make. The new/old testament divide.

Example:

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"Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[a]says the Lord. 20 On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him;? if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.?In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good."

There are enough actual clips where Kirk does this with all manner of people he would consider sinners that you can conclude he has that view as well.

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"You do realize there's a difference between a football coach talking about being the hell out of a opponent in their football game, versus a US president talking about beating the hell out of their political opponent, right?"

You do realize metaphor, anlaogy and figures of speech, right? If I say, "I hate apples with worms!" That doesn't mean I hate worms, but the combination when they are with apples.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/26/style/gay-men-trump-administration-republicans.html
Free Tier: https://archive.is/VMvgr

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"Mr. Kirchick, 41, said one way to see how much has changed in recent years was to look at what things were like under the most recent Republican president before Mr. Trump, George W. Bush. “There were high-ranking gay people in that administration, but they had to be very discreet about it,” he said. “It was tough, and there was a lot of outing at the time.” Mr. Kirchick has been a vocal critic of Mr. Trump, but he did note one important difference when it comes to this president: “Trump himself is obviously a huge part of what’s changed. He’s clearly comfortable around gay people.” Before his political turn, Mr. Trump mostly talked publicly about gay people the way one might expect of a New Yorker in show business. He once asked a contestant on “The Apprentice” if he was “a homosexual.” When the man said that he was, Mr. Trump replied: “I like steak, somebody else likes spaghetti. That’s why they have menus in restaurants. It’s a great world.” Image Trump in a tuxedo holding the hand of Melania Trump, dressed in a black dress, on a red carpet at the Kennedy Center. Mr. Trump, with the first lady, Melania Trump, at the Kennedy Center for the premiere of “Les Misérables.” The A-Gays consider Mrs. Trump iconic, both for her fashion and her attitude.Credit...Doug Mills/The New York Times He allowed gay people to join Mar-a-Lago when other clubs in Palm Beach still discriminated. One associate of his said that in the period when Mr. Trump was preparing to become a presidential candidate, he privately explained his thinking on gay-related policy issues, such as marriage equality, this way: “I love the gays. They pay the most for the weddings.”"

[Edited on September 17, 2025 at 5:58 PM. Reason : a]

9/17/2025 5:55:22 PM

There was more to my argument than mere apples and worms:

It's a fact that MAGA are hypocrites. The same hate speech that's tolerated when it comes from the right is demonized when it comes from the left.

Therefore, they do not judge a thing on its own merit. Extraneous factors affect their judgment.

I have yet to see any reason to believe that being or not being a Trump supporter wouldn't change a MAGA's judgment of LGBT, as well. Maybe you have, but I haven't. And it's not important enough to me to research it, either, honestly.

But it is absolutely within the realm of possibility: Hate speech is judged by MAGA based on the party the speaker belongs to. I don't see why it necessarily wouldn't be a factor for their judgment of LGBT, too.

Maybe you have additional information that I don't have; I'm just basing this on the comments that I've seen from you.

And you do realize some metaphors are bullshit, right?

9/17/2025 6:16:13 PM

^^
Christian nationalists aren’t pious people. Theyre politicians first and foremost using the veneer of religion to build a following.

9/17/2025 6:23:00 PM