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thegoodlife3
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"Baier is the only one left at that network with any integrity"


https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/05/08/media/fox-baier-reputation-reliable-sources

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/fox-news-apologizes-for-falsely-reporting-that-clinton-faces-indictment/2016/11/04/8fd56f20-a2b7-11e6-8d63-3e0a660f1f04_story.html

[Edited on October 15, 2024 at 1:00 AM. Reason : .]

10/15/2024 1:00:30 AM

StTexan
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"Baier is the only one left at that network with any integrity, so it might actually be a fair interview"


Agreed. I am excite

10/15/2024 6:40:27 AM

The Coz
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^
This you?:

10/15/2024 8:35:28 AM

aaronburro
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^^^ Other texts from those same bits of discovery showed far more ethics than the examples you posted. Frankly, he seemed to be the only one at the network trying to push against the lies in 2020, and he seemed to keep getting blasted for it. Chris Wallace also took some heat, and he ended up quitting, thus why I didn't include him.

10/15/2024 12:47:03 PM

The Coz
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Heard she's considering doing Joe Rogan's Podcast also.

10/15/2024 7:09:03 PM

TreeTwista10
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that would be uge. Rogan apparently, despite all his politics, won't have Trump on.

10/15/2024 7:33:40 PM

StTexan
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I can't see it happening, don't think she could duck his questions without him calling her out

When I googled it, a few results had headlines that said trump was going on soon. Didn't click but figured it was a safe bet

10/15/2024 8:40:43 PM

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she should be the one calling Joe out... why did he go to working class advocate in the late 90s to shill for billionaires and corporations? If she did it right she could easily come out looking great on rogan

10/16/2024 12:03:34 AM

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Well, he became rich and "successful" for one thing.

10/16/2024 6:30:53 AM

TreeTwista10
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I've only seen some clips from her Fox News interview, but she seemed to do well

10/16/2024 10:05:50 PM

StTexan
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Saying this cause I wish it were true...

This will be a landslide electorally, and Kamala will win states like TX, etc. Media downplaying her polling now cause want Kamala to appear as an underdog. When she so defiantly wins in the electoral college/popular vote, there will be some kind of post election analysis(as their always is), and the R party will begin to rebuild itself, but shun all the trump part of the party.

10/17/2024 4:25:36 AM

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Well, we can hope, and we can vote.

I don't understand why the polling error should ALWAYS favor Trump.

10/17/2024 7:43:52 AM

thegoodlife3
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she was an expert at not falling for bullshit gotcha questions in that Fox interview

10/17/2024 10:45:48 AM

aaronburro
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Same she couldn't show up on time

10/18/2024 11:49:01 AM

StTexan
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^she won't get away with that again

10/19/2024 11:01:56 PM

thegoodlife3
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https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/kamala-harris-gaza-israel-biden-election-poll?utm_medium=ios

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" Kamala Harris Paid the Price for Not Breaking With Biden on Gaza, New Poll Shows

Twenty-nine percent of non-voters who supported Biden in 2020 said U.S. support for the genocide was the top reason they sat the 2024 election, according to a survey by YouGov."

1/15/2025 1:46:21 PM

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"Ryan Grim"


well known for not being partisan. but let's take a look...

so to start, I'm not really sure where this conclusion comes from

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"19 million people who voted for Joe Biden staying home (or not mailing in their ballots) in 2024"


Kamala got 75M votes in 2024 compared to Biden's 81.3M in 2020. that's not a 19M difference. maybe i'm not getting something here, but let's move on

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"The poll was paid for by the Institute for Middle East Understanding Policy Project, which has been an outspoken critic of Israel’s assault on Gaza"


indeed.

i mean, look at the framing of the questions related to israel/palestine.

and even still

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"think back to how you voted in 2024. you will see issues that some say may have impacted their vote. For each of those, please say how you feel about that issue.
Asked of those who did not vote in the 2024 Presidential Election

The violence between Israel and Gaza:

20% : This issue was important to me and candidates' positions on this issue swayed how I voted
39% : This issue was important to me but candidates' positions on this issue didn't really sway how I voted
17% : This issue isn't really important to me
24% : Not sure"


so 80% (of those who did NOT vote in the 2024 Presidential Election, even!) were not swayed on this issue.

I don't know what number of voters (particularly in swing states) Kamala actually lost out on because of this, but all it says to me is that some number of 2020 Biden voters were manipulated into not voting for the non-Trump candidate in 2024 because they were propagandized to believe 1) Israel = Bad 2) Hamas = Innocent Victims 3) Trump would somehow be better for Palestinians than Harris. it doesn't make sense, but I see similar irrationality on the GOP voter side and we're all human after all so why wouldn't Dem voters be susceptible to such techniques as well.

In the end, Kamala held the Correct and Principled position. "Israel has the right to defend itself, and the way it does so matters." It's not her fault some voters couldn't see through the noise.

1/15/2025 3:48:09 PM

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i hope they learn from their mistakes.

2/6/2025 9:34:27 AM

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SPOILER ALERT: They won't. Most of them don't even admit they made a mistake.

2/6/2025 10:35:36 AM

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i remain optimistic that human beings are still capable of self-reflection, realizing when you've been wrong, and making better decisions going forward.

2/6/2025 11:04:31 AM

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" 2) Hamas = Innocent Victim"


Dude, you keep claiming this over and over. It's not true, yet you continue to be disingenuous.. Very, very, very few people believe this.

Believing the majority of Palestinians (especially women and children) are innocent victims is not the same as saying Hamas is innocent. And I know you know this, but you insist on repeating it.

2/6/2025 12:40:03 PM

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But many people are convinced that many Palestinians who were not involved with Hamas directly were favorable to Hamas. Many believe that they even offered them shelter, food, supplies, etc.

2/6/2025 1:30:37 PM

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"some number of 2020 Biden voters ... believe ... Hamas = Innocent Victims"


this is what i said. and it is true. even if it is "very, very, very few people"

FAR too many people who would normally be Democrat-leaning voters have excused Hamas long history of violent "resistance" or at least been willing to look the other way bc they are more concerned/interested in criticizing Israel. if you can't criticize both parties in this conflict based on the reality of their own choices and behaviors, you're part of the problem. these people who excuse or even embrace Hamas are who i'm talking about. if that's not you, or most people, then great! i'm not talking about you then.

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"Believing the majority of Palestinians (especially women and children) are innocent victims is not the same as saying Hamas is innocent"


i did not say that. the majority of Palestinians ARE innocent victims. Hamas members and Hamas supporters are not innocent victims (they are in the sense that they have been brainwashed, but that still doesn't excuse their violence and their intentions to destroy any possibility of peace in the region)

^ certainly true. interesting to see what newer polling shows now though. not that public attitudes translate whatsoever to shifts among regional leadership.

[Edited on February 6, 2025 at 1:45 PM. Reason : . ]

2/6/2025 1:35:59 PM

StTexan
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Kamalas first pick of VP was Buttigieg, but america "wasn't ready for it"

9/18/2025 8:47:56 PM

qntmfred
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https://twitter.com/HSajwanization/status/1979226079727620423

+1

10/17/2025 2:47:34 PM

The Coz
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Or maybe Elon could have tried not being a butthurt little crybaby bitch, washed away his tears with his many many billions of dollars, and just done the right things for the right reasons, trusting that the future would judge him kindly, instead of propping up the worst possible guy for the job because he got his feelings hurt.

We could have tried that.

But yeah, not inviting him was a mistake.

10/17/2025 2:56:12 PM

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"Elon could have tried not being a butthurt little crybaby bitch"


i think it was more than fair to cry foul. the dem leadership didn't invite him for clearly partisan reasons which was 1) stupid and 2) hypocritical. i wish more dem voters would have called out the biden administration at the time (how hard is it to say "wtf he's our transition from fossil fuels to EVs guy what are y'all thinking") instead of OBEYing. the dems made it clear to him that he's not in their cool kids club, and it wasn't surprising he wanted to take his support elsewhere. it's unfortunate for all of us that the only other viable option was the worst possible guy. a wiser more mature version of elon would have gone back to first principles and done the right things for the right reasons, but alas, we don't have that version. and that's a shame too. the difference is conservatives were willing to accept him, whereas the dems are generally incapable of admitting they were wrong. but this is a kamala thread so i just wanted to acknowledge she deserved a +1 for being the first to admit being wrong and i hope it sets an example for other dems who need to admit they were wrong, so we can get back to being a party that american voters respect and trust.

10/18/2025 11:29:01 AM

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I support that. But I'm also not going to make excuses for the world's second biggest man baby to react poorly.

Who other than Elon's followers would have been acutely aware of his snub to a level prompting direct feedback to their party representatives? This was a nothing in the news cycle.

10/18/2025 1:21:02 PM

thegoodlife3
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we must be kind to the fascists or else they’ll be mean to us out of spite

10/18/2025 2:16:15 PM

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Did the Biden Admin not invite Elon or did they not invite Tesla? In the months preceding the EV summit Tesla settled with NLRB for retaliating against union organizers and they settled the first of the discrimination/racism lawsuits at the Fremont plant. I think 2021 was the year a whistleblower turned Tesla into the SEC. I’m sure Elon blames Woke! and his truth telling, but the reality is the Tesla baggage was starting to stack up in that post COVID era.

10/18/2025 3:45:12 PM

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"Did the Biden Admin not invite Elon or did they not invite Tesla?"


sure technically it was Tesla they didn't invite. practically speaking we all know that bc Elon and Tesla are brand synonymous, the distinction doesn't matter. either way it was a dumb move by the Biden administration.

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"In the months preceding the EV summit Tesla settled with NLRB for retaliating against union organizers"


correct. my impression at the time was the non-Tesla EV manufacturer CEOs wanted to be able to use the EV summit as a way to hopefully jump start their sales given Tesla had like 70% US market share, lobbied Biden to keep Tesla out of the event, and since Biden is so pro-Union, he did the good ole boy thing and went along with it.

also, elon had in the year prior had complained about california's regulatory and tax environment and moved to texas. and some covid lockdown overreach statements he'd made. so although it wasn't necessarily a "elon vs the woke mind virus" thing, there was a definitely a bit of "we're mad at elon for criticizing democrat policies" that contributed, imo

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"the reality is the Tesla baggage was starting to stack up in that post COVID era"


unless tesla was completely shut down enron style for some legal offense, they were still an American company with a leading role in the EV industry. Biden needed to tell his CEO friends to compete with Tesla instead of asking for favors, swallow their pride about elon's criticisms of california and covid politics, and include tesla.

again, I just want to highlight that kamala is admitting it was a mistake. and it very clearly was a mistake. not just politically, but for good old fashioned non-partisan reasons of principle. and it would be a mistake to continue to try to justify the mistake bc of other reasons (legitimate or not) you might not like elon. tesla belonged there.

[Edited on October 18, 2025 at 4:12 PM. Reason : .]

10/18/2025 4:11:56 PM

StTexan
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/06/business/dealbook/biden-musk-apple.html?unlocked_article_code=1.uU8.adEe.6fxh8MnBv0nC&smid=url-share

This details some of it too

10/18/2025 5:37:50 PM

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