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BigMan157
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langoliers

3/14/2014 11:41:18 PM

Noen
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^^Malcolm Gladwell is a fucking fraud.

3/15/2014 12:45:10 AM

JeffreyBSG
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lol...that thought has never occurred to me

but I'm gullible as fuck. maybe he is.

3/15/2014 12:57:19 AM

theDuke866
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I don't know who he is, but that phenomenon is pretty well known in aviation circles.

3/15/2014 4:04:51 AM

optmusprimer
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and it was discussed heavily after the 777 crash last year.

3/15/2014 11:27:11 AM

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The only thing we really know for certain was that this happened on Obama's watch

3/15/2014 12:16:25 PM

The E Man
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the plane will take off

3/15/2014 9:11:03 PM

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but not land

3/15/2014 9:28:58 PM

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So it looks like the pilot(s) may have been the ones that willingly crashed the plane. Crazy shit.

3/15/2014 10:28:06 PM

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This reeks of Bane. He has to be involved.

#SPEAKOFTHEDEVILANDHESHALLAPPEAR

3/15/2014 10:46:46 PM

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the plane is prolly in tibet right now

3/15/2014 10:59:29 PM

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"Asian airlines have a disproportionate number of crashes partly because of the huge importance of etiquette, and the "honor your superiors" mindset, in Asian culture"


I work for a Japanese company and it's the same damn way. The seniors don't make any mistakes

3/15/2014 11:14:18 PM

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^the pilots of the Korean air flight that crashed in San Francisco said that was a factor as well. They didn't want to ask for help out of honor.

3/16/2014 1:03:03 AM

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"...but as more evidence comes to light, i don't think my earlier suggestion of an explosion is the most likely. My best bet is now on there being some sort of emergency or possibly compound emergency, likely involving a fire or smoke/fumes in the cockpit, and they started turning electrical equipment off in hopes of isolating it if the fire or smoke/fumes were electrical in origin. They would have likely turned back towards land in order to land as soon as possible. In the dark, under stress, and possibly under duress due to smoke, they then missed a checklist step or moved the wrong switch, resulting in loss of pressurization, improper oxygen mask flow, etc and then therefore hypoxia. Pilots were rendered unconscious (only takes 30-seconds, give or take, depending on their altitude), and then possibly dead, and the jet then continued on its last heading until fuel exhaustion. Even if everyone else on the plane was still conscious, they would have been locked out of the cockpit due to the locked antiterrorist bulkhead."


Is it typical to turn off electronics in case of smoke/fire? Seems like a looong shot this would be helpful.

3/16/2014 2:33:58 AM

theDuke866
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depends on if you think it may be electrical in origin. the idea is typically to turn of all electrical equipment that isn't totally necessary, and then turn things back on one at a time if you need to get them back.

3/16/2014 2:37:55 AM

theDuke866
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although it sounds more and more like something nefarious may be likely.

3/16/2014 2:38:54 AM

MrGreen
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The plane landed safely.

3/16/2014 10:04:10 AM

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From BBC

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"A former 777 pilot has told me how easy it is to switch off most of the systems that track an aircraft. Most pilots would know how to do it - though traditional radar would still pick up the presence of a plane.

Firstly, most systems, like the transponder, the radio, the ACARS etc, have what is effectively an "off" switch.

Secondly, every electrical system also has a circuit-breaker, a bit like the fuse box in your house. The pilot has a panel of hundreds of buttons above his or her head; if they pull the right one, then the system switches off. The breakers are essential to isolate electrical systems if they overheat or catch fire.

But if you switch anything off, an orange warning light appears on a screen in front of the crew. So it is highly unlikely one could do it without the other noticing.

And the pilot may still not know about every system the aircraft has that talks to satellites - which could explain how this aircraft was sending out pings despite everything else being switched off.

The idea of hacking into an aircraft's systems has also been mooted, but I am told this is far less likely on an aeroplane such as this and also that the manufacturers have put in a lot of work to stop this happening.

One final thing: if this aircraft flew low over land, and people on board knew there was a problem, why did no-one try to make a phone call?"

3/16/2014 11:17:37 AM

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The crew collected all electronic devices shortly after going stealth.

3/16/2014 1:46:08 PM

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One final thing: if this aircraft flew low over land, and people on board knew there was a problem, why did no-one try to make a phone call?""


Without a sat phone you wouldn't have much luck making a call. Its been said that cellular service wouldnt likely have been available over 7000ft or so. Flying at that altitude after manual cabin depressurization wouldnt have been enough to keep the passengers knocked out.

Assuming the cabin was manually depressurized of course. Passenger oxygen would last only 22 minutes if it were even turned on. Pilots oxygen comes from a seperate bottle.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=kSsmU7ijGMTC2wXn-IDQCw&url=http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/arff/arff777.pdf&cd=11&ved=0CCQQFjAAOAo&usg=AFQjCNH9V3Sc3x9pn6qAy60GANHsuykuQA&sig2=HAYRepdIAvk6putQejcQIg

[Edited on March 16, 2014 at 7:01 PM. Reason : .]

3/16/2014 6:47:33 PM

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I cannot imagine that the passenger O2 can't be manually turned off from the cockpit. I've never heard of such a setup, and it would pose a fire hazard if it was configured in such a way. It would also be more likely to leak down when not in use if the o2 was always under pressure. Typically, it's turned on as a before takeoff checklist item.

The pilots would almost certainly be on a separate system. It would also be easy to simply bring along a "pony bottle" like some recreational pilots carry.

3/16/2014 7:35:48 PM

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good read

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/16/the-baseless-rush-to-blame-the-pilots-of-flight-370.html

3/17/2014 5:49:10 AM

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So, there are new theories suggesting the pilot flew under the radar to avoid being detected, using mountains and such as cover.
Duke, correct me on this, but it was my understanding that when NOE flying was not done in the day, the pilot used geography detecting radar systems on board the plane, or at the new least night vision goggles coupled with extensive knowledge of the terrain. It would seem like the former would require equipment not so covertly installed on a commercial airliner. And the latter could be possible, but again not so easily done (acquiring the necessary training for this)

3/17/2014 8:19:16 AM

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3/17/2014 9:16:33 AM

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One of the other theories making the rounds is that it may have shadowed a flight from malaysia to amsterdam avoiding radar that way and possibly landing somewhere in like Kyrgyzstan or Turkmenistan.

3/17/2014 9:48:30 AM

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3/17/2014 10:01:37 AM

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a good read? lol - the author states that transponders could have been turned off "by design." what a fucking idiot

the whole thing reads as a speculative grab at pageviews. he's no better than those who are looking towards the pilots.

[Edited on March 17, 2014 at 11:10 AM. Reason : .]

3/17/2014 11:04:52 AM

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3/17/2014 12:14:19 PM

Doss2k
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No idea how reliable this is but read that a source in DHS has said they believe the plane did land and we will likely never see it again (25% chance at finding it). Said involved govts werent willing to help with intelligence and witheld info. Possible the shadowing of another airliner theory may hold some weight.

3/17/2014 12:41:50 PM

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Re: radar avoiding and NOE flying.

How to Not be Seen can include a wide range of options. One is to put any kind of ground between you and the radar installation. If that ground happens to be a mountain range, you don't have to be very close to it for it to block the radar from seeing you. If it's a small pile of dirt (or you want to fly very close to the radar site) then it might involve much greater proximity to the ground.

This is very much like hiding in the dark from a guy with a flashlight. If you are in a field of grass, then you might have to lay down in the grass and think very short thoughts. If you are in a forest, then you might decide to stand up straight behind a tree. One option, particularly valid here, is just to stay far enough away from known flashlights so you are too small to be seen.

TL;DR NOE is great if you want to pop up and drop a bomb on the radar dish, but completely not required if you just want to get away.

3/17/2014 1:26:37 PM

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Lots of bits of information but still no motive if we are going to suspect the pilots. . . .

3/17/2014 1:41:20 PM

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an opposition maylasion leader that one of the pilots "supported" was arrested for homosexuality hours before the flight took off. and they have a pic of the pilot wearing a "democracy is dead" shirt....

3/17/2014 1:59:36 PM

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I don't see myself flying in Asia anytime soon.

Thanks crazy people.

3/17/2014 6:40:23 PM

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from the AP

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"KUALA LUMPUR: The final words from the missing Malaysian jetliner’s cockpit gave no indication anything was wrong even though one of the plane’s communications systems had already been disabled, officials said Sunday, adding to suspicions that one or both of the pilots were involved in the disappearance.

As authorities examined a flight simulator that was confiscated from the home of one of the pilots and dug through the background of all 239 people on board and the ground crew that serviced the plane, they also were grappling with the enormity of the search ahead of them.

The Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 took off from Kuala Lumpur at around 12:40 a.m. on March 8, headed to Beijing. On Saturday, Malaysia’s government confirmed that the plane was deliberately diverted and may have flown as far north as Central Asia, or south into the vast reaches of the Indian Ocean. Authorities have said someone on board the plane first disabled one of its communications systems at 1:07 a.m. Around 14 minutes later, the transponder was also shut down. The fact that they went dark separately is strong evidence that the plane’s disappearance was deliberate.

Malaysian Defense Minister Hishamuddin Hussein said that the final, reassuring words from the cockpit — “All right, good night” — were spoken to air traffic controllers after the communication system was shut down. Whoever spoke did not mention any trouble on board, seemingly misleading ground control.

The search area now includes 11 countries the plane might have flown over, Hishamuddin said, adding that the number of countries involved in the operation had increased to 25."




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"a source in DHS has said they believe the plane did land and we will likely never see it again"


I find that to be a ridiculous statement. Since there are no Lost type islands on this planet, IF the plane did land AND some people did survive, of course we will hear about/see it again. You can't keep all those survivors shut their mouth forever, unless you put them in a dungeon forever, or unless there are only 2 or 3 survivors and they will be killed by the involved govts or something.

If it crashed and no one survived, the chances of finding it are minuscule, as this is the area they are searching now:

3/17/2014 6:59:14 PM

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Democracy is dead. And a good thing that it is, too. I'll bet he's lots of fun at parties, though.

3/17/2014 6:59:54 PM

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I read something earlier, and it mentioned the sattelite interactions, and how they were a two way handshake. Basically they have determined some angle at which the last transmission happened (for beam forming or something). Itheyre trying to take that information and narrow down what area would produce that result. They admitted it was uncharted territory, as they've never tried to trace it back in this manner.

3/17/2014 7:10:04 PM

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Wouldn't be surprised if the plane is being held at ransom but the Chinese won't negotiate

3/17/2014 8:42:49 PM

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^ i would be very shocked if that were the case.

there is no way in today's world that the world at large won't know if a plane full of hundreds of civilians were being held hostage, even if in the world's most secretive country.

3/17/2014 8:51:37 PM

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Here's the question I have: if it was terrorism, how come no one has claimed responsibility? I would think a terrorist would want even more publicity.

3/17/2014 9:32:59 PM

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Not if they're planning on re-purposing it for something bigger

3/17/2014 9:35:07 PM

tchenku
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"FUCK"

3/17/2014 10:28:10 PM

Sayer
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Here is the Captian's home flight simulator:

3/18/2014 7:16:15 AM

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I came here to post a wacky FB status updates I saw that made the claim that terrorists hijacked the plane and are now repurposing it as a weapon... but I see that I've been beaten to the punch.

Wow. People believe this.

3/18/2014 7:32:12 AM

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http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68

3/18/2014 8:09:25 AM

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*shrug* that dude's theory sounds just as likely as all the others

3/18/2014 8:33:01 AM

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Courtney Love has found the plane !!!

https://twitter.com/Courtney/status/445475973891235840/photo/1

3/18/2014 8:33:34 AM

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"I find that to be a ridiculous statement. Since there are no Lost type islands on this planet, IF the plane did land AND some people did survive, of course we will hear about/see it again. You can't keep all those survivors shut their mouth forever, unless you put them in a dungeon forever, or unless there are only 2 or 3 survivors and they will be killed by the involved govts or something.

If it crashed and no one survived, the chances of finding it are minuscule, as this is the area they are searching now:
"


Well the going theory is there is some evidence the plane made an ascent above 40,000 feet, which may have been simply to depressurize the cabin and kill off the entire crew and passengers other than the pilots. Obviously that is all speculation and I still think the likely outcome is they are at the bottom of the ocean. However, if the plan was to hijack for ransom we already would have heard about it. The only other reason you would steal a plane is to repurpose it for terrorism that I can think of, in which case the passengers are gonna be all killed one way or another.

It just baffles my mind that this day in age a 777 with 250 people on board can just simply go missing without a trace. All the circumstances and evidence sure would be coincidental if the thing just had some malfunctions and crashed. The timing of everything sure does look suspect.

3/18/2014 8:43:38 AM

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I still can't believe that we can put men on the moon but we have no idea where international flights are at any given time, and we have transponder/locator systems on planes that can be disabled by anyone with Google.

3/18/2014 9:00:41 AM

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these fools can't even put lojack on a plane?

3/18/2014 9:13:31 AM

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"Since there are no Lost type islands on this planet"


hey, let's stop making assumptions.

3/18/2014 9:22:13 AM

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