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"and I'M the one flying off the handle with assertions? did i ONCE say anything about condoning "fucked-up things" in the name of god or jesus christ? hardly"

No, but it's another one of those things Christians like to ignore about people in their religion. I also didn't make the comment about you flying off the handle. But if you want to lump me into the category of someone who obviously doesn't know anything about Christianity, despite being raised as one, well, you're absolutely making the wrong assumptions to begin with.

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"not at all...rather, i think it's a good idea to allow people to celebrate different traditions/religions without intentionally creating division within a community"

Which basically translates into a cunning insertion of Christian ideals into what they had before. I'm sure they had a choice, but as Christianity became more popular and their traditions remained mostly the same, I'm sure at least some of them just made the switch without thinking about it.

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"you're celebrating "give everyone presents in the name of commercialism" day"

Ironically, most Christians celebrate that one too. On the same day and everything.

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 11:15 AM. Reason : .]

12/12/2007 11:12:13 AM

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"It's still a cunty thing to do, slapping your holiday on top of a rival religion's holiday. That's probably one of the reasons why most Christians don't like to discuss the history of this holiday."

hahahahah, fushcia wins this one. although quagmire02 didn't make it that hard.

12/12/2007 11:13:11 AM

i'm pretty sure furshia says cunt more than george carlin

12/12/2007 11:13:53 AM

she's like a brit.

12/12/2007 11:14:28 AM

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"No, but it's another one of those things Christians like to ignore about people in their religion."

but i didn't say that...so you're being a bitch and assuming things...as you pointed out, you don't know a damn thing about what i believe

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"Which basically translates into a cunning insertion of Christian ideals into what they had before. I'm sure they had a choice, but as Christianity became more popular and their traditions remained mostly the same, I'm sure at least some of them just made the switch without thinking about it."

the insertion is voluntary, babe...if you don't believe in it, don't practice it...why are you getting so pissy about someone celebrating something different? you're pissed because people did something stupid because they failed to think about it? really?

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"hahahahah, fushcia wins this one. although quagmire02 didn't make it that hard."

i created christmas hundreds of years ago? oops, my bad

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 11:15 AM. Reason : .]

12/12/2007 11:14:52 AM

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"the insertion is voluntary, babe...if you don't believe in it, don't practice it...why are you getting so pissy about someone celebrating something different? you're pissed because people did something stupid because they failed to think about it? really?"

I'm not getting pissy about any of this, honestly. I just don't like it when Christians pretend they don't have this specific history of Christmas being used to cover-up a pagan holiday, that's all.

You spent half this thread trying to claim it's a completely separate issue from the pagan holiday, then you moved on to say "well if it's on the same day, SO WHAT?!"

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 11:18 AM. Reason : ./]

12/12/2007 11:16:25 AM

quagmire02 wins.

12/12/2007 11:16:51 AM

at what? Christmas?

12/12/2007 11:19:06 AM

I think that you have to be a miserable person if you hate this time of year.

12/12/2007 11:19:29 AM

what kind of person do you have to be to tell someone else that they can't enjoy this time of year?

12/12/2007 11:23:03 AM

why do christians celebrate new year's?
who the fuck is santa and what has he done with the baby jesus?

so many questions

12/12/2007 11:23:07 AM

because christmas kicks ass

12/12/2007 11:23:26 AM

if Christians start excluding people from Christmas then they'd have to stop making it all you see or hear everywhere you go for at least 1/6th of the year.

Also it's not as if you guys invented having a celebration in the middle of winter to cheer people up.

12/12/2007 11:26:18 AM

Christians know what they believe and know who to worship and why they are worshiping during the Christmas holiday.

"Christians" that just go to church on Christmas and Easter aren't Christians and obviously haven't read the Bible, if they aren't going to church more than twice a year.

Christians are prayerful that all the joyfullness and generousity will parlay into a conversion and finding of Jesus Christ.

If it happened to fall onto a Pagan holiday, oh well, I'm sure there was a reason for it.

Read about the plagues in Exodus, they were specifically directed at the gods and idols that the pagans worshiped.

12/12/2007 11:29:03 AM

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"If it happened to fall onto a Pagan holiday, oh well, I'm sure there was a reason for it."

yes, we've been over the reason.

12/12/2007 11:30:08 AM

12/12/2007 11:32:25 AM

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"Completely Mental"

12/12/2007 11:33:25 AM

^^ HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FTW

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 11:35 AM. Reason : .]

12/12/2007 11:35:02 AM

Sinnerman where you gunna run to
Sinnerman where you gunna run to
Where you gunna run to
All on that day

So I run to the lord
Please help me lord
Dont you see me prayin
Dont you see me down here prayin

But the lord said
Go to the devil
The lord said
Go to the devil
He said go to the devil
All on that day

So I ran to the devil
He was waiting
I ran to the devil he was waiting
I ran to the devil he was waiting
All on that day

Oh yeah

Oh I run to the river
It was boilin I run to the sea
It was boilin I run to the sea
It was boilin all on that day

So I ran to the lord
I said lord hide me
Please hide me
Please help me
All on that day

Said God where were you
When you are old and prayin

Lord lord hear me prayin
Lord lord hear me prayin
Lord lord hear me prayin
All on that day

Sinnerman you oughta be prayin
Oughta be prayin sinnerman
Oughta be prayin all on that day



[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 11:37 AM. Reason : :]

12/12/2007 11:35:28 AM

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"Read about the plagues in Exodus, they were specifically directed at the gods and idols that the pagans worshiped."

wow, they wrote their book so their god kicks everyone else's god's asses, that must mean they're pretty awesome.

You know in his comics superman usually wins. I guess that means he couldn't be inspired by any hero in a story before him either.

12/12/2007 11:36:22 AM

there are a bunch of heathens in this thread.

12/12/2007 11:38:39 AM

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"why do athiests celebrate christmas?"

because christmas is that awesome

12/12/2007 11:38:47 AM

anytime someone quotes, or tells you to read a verse in the bible to back up their argument, it's usually not worth your time responding to them

12/12/2007 11:39:01 AM

heathen has a negative connotation, i prefer infidel

12/12/2007 11:39:34 AM

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"anytime someone quotes, or tells you to read a verse in the bible to back up their argument, it's usually not worth your time responding to them"

you know, i knew that and for some reason I responded anyway. Its like arguing with that preacher in the brickyard, once the guys mind is made up that all truth is relative to the bible, or any other one source of truth for that matter. Theres really no leverage to try to make them see other points of view.

12/12/2007 11:41:51 AM

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"the bible, or any other one source of truth"

12/12/2007 11:43:04 AM

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"Read about the plagues in Exodus, they were specifically directed at the gods and idols that the pagans worshiped."

You said it, man. Nobody fucks with the Jesus.

12/12/2007 11:43:56 AM

hahahahahahha..... truth?

you have better luck getting a whore to admit she has herpes

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 11:44 AM. Reason : :]

12/12/2007 11:44:04 AM

obviously I meant any supposed source of all truth, that is not relative to anything outside of it. I just said it that way to include that once someone believes anything is the ultimate authority you can't change their mind.

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 11:47 AM. Reason : f]

12/12/2007 11:44:12 AM

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"anytime someone quotes, or tells you to read a verse in the bible to back up their argument, it's usually not worth your time responding to them"

12/12/2007 11:44:16 AM

probably we celebrate it because we grew up with it as a tradition. don't forget, christmas is the assimilated form of the pagan holiday which was simply to worship (give thanks and show appreciation actually) for being alive and for all the things nature gives us.

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 11:49 AM. Reason : asdf]

12/12/2007 11:44:45 AM

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"don't forget"

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"don't forget"

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"don't forget"

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"don't forget"

12/12/2007 11:46:30 AM

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"It's not Jesus' fault that he was born on Christmas. I guess it's God's"

jesus wasn't born in december.... why is it that atheists seem to know more about stuff like this than religious people

12/12/2007 11:51:14 AM

This is more a Family time of year than religious anymore...

Feliz Navidad!

12/12/2007 11:52:21 AM

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"jesus wasn't born in december.... why is it that atheists seem to know more about stuff like this than religious people"

The term bible thumper refers to when they thump a bible and say something along the lines of "this the only book ya need ry hya"

they also discourage reading it very much

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 11:55 AM. Reason : c]

12/12/2007 11:54:08 AM

Soap boxy threads + Chit chat users = 80 pages of retarded insults!

Works every time.


^^^I thought it was fairly obvious that it was a joke. Chill the fuck out.

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 11:55 AM. Reason : +]

12/12/2007 11:54:30 AM

it's just like TSB except the hostility is out in the open

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 11:56 AM. Reason : &]

12/12/2007 11:55:50 AM

you can't feel the love in here?

12/12/2007 11:56:29 AM

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"it's just like TSB except the hostility is out in the open"

whats not out in the open? aren't they always telling each other to die in fire over there?

12/12/2007 11:57:28 AM

Who ever said that atheists are celebrating christmas? Maybe we have our own atheist holiday that happens to be in the same time period, and involves lights, trees, presents. If somebody says Merry Christmas, I'll say it back, because I'm not (too big of) a dick. I won't tell them I don't celebrate it, because I don't try to force religion (or lack of) on people like every other religion usually tries to.

12/12/2007 11:57:35 AM

yeah it really isn't our fault if you can't tell Annual Gift Day and Christmas apart.

12/12/2007 12:00:33 PM

It's not athiests' fault that their employers chose to give them a day off on December 25th

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 12:29 PM. Reason : .]

12/12/2007 12:01:54 PM

Everyone just calm down, and listen up. I have a story to tell you...

12/12/2007 12:07:48 PM

atheists are beyond belief

12/12/2007 12:07:51 PM

I understand WHY they celebrate Christmas (family, gift giving, etc), but I wonder why they seem to pretty much only celebrate Christian major holidays.

You would think that Athiests would be just as likely to celebrate Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, or Ramadan, but it seems like they all celebrate Christmas.

12/12/2007 12:09:20 PM

cause they're white, dur

12/12/2007 12:10:09 PM

Unless their families/they were raised Christian.

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 12:10 PM. Reason : TRADITION]

12/12/2007 12:10:19 PM

FESTIVUS!

12/12/2007 12:10:25 PM

what other christian holidays do atheists celebrate?

12/12/2007 12:10:32 PM

I dunno, let's grab some aluminum bats and go ask some!11

12/12/2007 12:11:16 PM