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10/12/2011 10:07:36 PM

Since no one reads the last post

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"That's a dangerous line of reasoning. It propagates rampant consumerism under the guise of protecting or creating jobs. This comes at the expense of habitat and wildlife all so satiate a sense of entitlement to cheap and abundant disposable goods. "

That's pretty far away from what my statement suggested, but let's pretend that's what I intended.

If those who can afford to buy the latest clothes or gadgets even when they have perfectly functioning ones are creating more business for those companies they're buying from. If they don't purchase these goods does it not reduce the need for said companies to employ or hire as many workers as they would otherwise?

If people have the money and are willing to spend it then that's exactly what they should do. It's the only way to create/sustain employment.

10/12/2011 10:10:42 PM

this thread went from being about protesters against Wall Street

to people arguing over the right to buy (Apple) products

that was a 180

and fuck Steve Jobs

10/12/2011 10:21:59 PM

^^ Or rather it's more prudent to acknowledge the perils of reckless consumption and to value what one already has. At least that's the basis for true conservatism. My, how things have changed...

10/13/2011 12:28:56 AM

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"If they don't purchase these goods does it not reduce the need for said companies to employ or hire as many workers as they would otherwise?"

companies that don't hire American workers?

and

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"this thread went from being about protesters against Wall Street to people arguing over the right to buy (Apple) products that was a 180"

all of that is extremely related, America will reach a point where it cannot have both liberty through education, healthcare, etc. and buy products/services made by companies that consist of mostly foreign employees/employers (as we'll be in debt to other countries). So there needs to be a change in attitude and lifestyle.

that being said... bttt? whats the newest thing going on with the protests?

10/13/2011 11:24:53 AM

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"companies that don't hire American workers? "

Depends on how you look at it and what you buy/how you buy it. If you're purchasing stuff on the Internet from abroad, then you're still supporting someone's economy (presumably someone poorer than you). If you've got the money and the means to buy American, then you should do so to support our industries/businesses. Even if you go to target to buy something from another country, you're still paying those who work for target for the services they're providing by making that product available to you.

10/13/2011 12:14:54 PM

10/13/2011 2:19:13 PM

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"Tom Morello paused for a moment as he tuned his guitar in front of the Occupy Wall Street masses this morning at New York's Liberty Plaza. "This is crazy out here," he said, smiling. The Rage Against the Machine guitarist went on to perform a four-song set for hundreds of onlookers, including a poignant, protester-fueled rendition of Woody Guthrie's "This Land Is Your Land.""

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-morello-at-occupy-wall-street-take-it-easy-but-take-it-20111013

random video:

10/13/2011 7:32:33 PM

Supposedly, a large mob stormed Wall Street and brawled with cops after the Mayor backed down and let them stay in the park as opposed to leaving for cleaning

10/14/2011 10:21:56 AM

random dudes pwning protestors. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnGcUnoNa5Q

10/14/2011 10:53:21 AM

^ "Brawled" with cops I think is an overstatement having watched this morning's march on the livestream. What Fox News is reporting as "Violence Breaks Out!" most others are calling scuffles. Even the NY Post's own video doesn't show anything more than that despite using the word melee in their own article.

10/14/2011 10:55:20 AM

lol your movement is constantly flaunting common sense
look at you defending "mild violence"


everybody with a comfortable retirement, including union workers, can thank Wall Street for their retirement income. Throwing cash into a mattress won't accomplish what a proper stock/bond/cash portfolio can

10/14/2011 10:58:09 AM

i feel like i can post in this thread since it's 10 pages now.

10/14/2011 11:06:23 AM

Pack_Bryan I am not defending any violence. I am simply saying it is being overblown, especially by conservative media.

10/14/2011 11:07:30 AM

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10?op=1

10/14/2011 11:38:07 AM

haha Business Insider says they have "VERY legitimate gripes"

eat a dick and choke, bryan

10/14/2011 11:41:17 AM

http://publish.vx.roo.com/nypost/viral/2010?vxSiteId=b0debab1-419e-413a-bc36-ecb11d2ff4f8&vxChannel=NY%20Post&vxClipId=1458_1325943&vxBitrate=300


lol

10/14/2011 11:44:45 AM

if any of you folks in Raleigh can help the occupiers there, they need (posted on FB):

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"NEEDS OF THE OCCUPIERS: Pressing needs for Saturday - 5 gallon water coolers (filled w/ ice water), industrial size trash cans/bags, large storage containers, large coolers and sign making materials. Think about a BIG camping trip that doesn't involve tents and bring that stuff. Thanks -Bob PS - Still in need of more MOBILE WIFI for the occupation, anyone have the equipment?"

I'll be joining OccupyPhilly tomorrow for a bit. I can't stay long, I wish I could.

10/14/2011 11:50:59 AM

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"everybody with a comfortable retirement, including union workers, can thank Wall Street for their retirement income. Throwing cash into a mattress won't accomplish what a proper stock/bond/cash portfolio can"

Unless their pensions/401ks/whatever tanked due to mortgage-backed securities.

10/14/2011 11:52:20 AM

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"^ "Brawled" with cops I think is an overstatement having watched this morning's march on the livestream. What Fox News is reporting as "Violence Breaks Out!" most others are calling scuffles. Even the NY Post's own video doesn't show anything more than that despite using the word melee in their own article."

tl;dr "It was only a LITTLE violence, its okay!"

10/14/2011 11:55:25 AM

^^protip: when 1 million people buy a mcmansion and literally have no backup
cash or job security get ready for massive economic collapse.







[Edited on October 14, 2011 at 12:00 PM. Reason : .]

10/14/2011 11:57:25 AM

i wonder how many people left the protest to get in line for an iPHone today

10/14/2011 12:12:41 PM

I think protests I agree with should be allowed to continue but protests I disagree with should be shut down

10/14/2011 12:17:17 PM

You gotta be one regressive fuck to write the shit thepeter's writing

10/14/2011 12:27:31 PM

so what triggered this whole thing, the republican's refusing to tax the rich/something corrupt seems to be going on thing? if so then I would probably support this

10/14/2011 12:29:46 PM

basically yes, control of our political democracy by the wealthy. avoidance of taxes is just one way they continue to build power

10/14/2011 12:30:36 PM

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"so what triggered this whole thing, the republican's refusing to tax the rich/something corrupt seems to be going on thing? if so then I would probably support this"

If you can spare abou 7 minutes...

10/14/2011 12:42:09 PM

ThePeter obviously you are incapable of reading what I wrote above. I said I am not defending any violence. I just said the media is overdoing it. Either way I feel the march was a mistake. I think the victory in the park was great PR squandered by what happened after. They should have stayed with that until the Times Square action tomorrow.

10/14/2011 12:53:10 PM

OMG there's people that exist that don't believe what we liberals do and have shitloads of internetz time like we do. OMFG NO WAI.

10/14/2011 1:01:37 PM

i go back and forth as to whether or not i wanna keep posting in here

but i fkng love this sign

10/14/2011 1:18:50 PM

If you hate banks, shut up, go home, take a shower, change clothes, move your money to a credit union and never worry about a bank again.

[Edited on October 14, 2011 at 1:22 PM. Reason : p]

10/14/2011 1:22:17 PM

^ i did precisely this three years ago, i'm fine with middle-of-the-road interest rates and straightforward banking, made me a happier person

10/14/2011 1:23:40 PM

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"ThePeter obviously you are incapable of reading what I wrote above. "

That's one way of putting I don't give a fuck I just li

or that I didn't read your essay anyway

10/14/2011 1:26:26 PM

1% of the population (3,000,000 people) have 33% of the wealth
99% of the population (297,000,000 people) have 67% of the wealth
Each rich person, on average, has 0.000011% of the wealth
Each poor person, on average, has 0.00000023% of the wealth

10/14/2011 1:28:29 PM

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"need of more MOBILE WIFI for the occupation"

FOR THE OCCUPATION! I gotta update my Angry Birds high scores!

10/14/2011 1:31:01 PM

i say sure.. let's bring down the banksters.

but we have to be fair. so bring back debtor prisons. throw all these shitbags in jail who took out a 400k loan that aren't paying it back for their mansion they thought they deserved while only grilling my hamburgers.




[Edited on October 14, 2011 at 1:38 PM. Reason : ,]

10/14/2011 1:37:35 PM

Filthy hippies don't need product placements or Wi-Fi.

Down with the 99%

10/14/2011 1:40:54 PM

^^ that is EXACTLY what i was trying to get at on the last page, thank you

[Edited on October 14, 2011 at 1:42 PM. Reason : feken ^'s, there's never enough! ]

10/14/2011 1:41:26 PM

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"Quote : "Quote : "Are your student loans and worthless degree getting the best of you? How about mandatory military service or picking up trash, I don't care, just do something productive and quit banging a fucking drum. " Are taxes and the lack of representation getting the best of you? How about mandatory soldiers quartering in your homes or working more to cover those taxes, i don't care, just do something productive and quit banging a fucking drum. Yours, King George" FUCKING FACE! for serious all these self-righteous unamerican assholes dressed up as patriots in this thread thanks for giving it to them in the face, Axl "

Hey, if people want to live their life "freely" and bang their drum and be citizens of the world that is fine with me.....just don't b*tch and complain you don't get a fair shake when the people that did the opposite reap the benefits of their labor. Education, hard work, and yes, luck, contribute to a successful life that usually leads to financial rewards. Being a citizen of the world who bangs a drum usually doesn't lead to financial rewards. Both are choices each and every American can make for themselves. If you choose one or the other it's on you....deal with it.

10/14/2011 1:58:52 PM

yo dawg i heard you like to protest, so we're making a protest in your protest so you can protest protestors while you protest

10/14/2011 1:59:48 PM

I wish we had leaders more like Aaron Feuerstein...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Feuerstein

He's the 3rd Generation CEO of Malden Mills, a textile plant in Lawrence, Mass. In '95 the factory burnt to the ground. It personally cost him, $25million, his CEO position and filing chapter 11 in 2001 to keep all 3000 employees on payroll with full benefits for 6 months...



"I have a responsibility to the worker, both blue-collar and white-collar. I have an equal responsibility to the community. It would have been unconscionable to put 3,000 people on the streets and deliver a deathblow to the cities of Lawrence and Methuen. Maybe on paper our company is worthless to Wall Street, but I can tell you it's worth more."
-- Aaron Feuerstein

10/14/2011 2:00:03 PM

An open manifesto, By: BobbyDigital

10/14/2011 2:03:15 PM

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"Unless their pensions/401ks/whatever tanked due to mortgage-backed securities."

Or the pension fund was bankrupted by the corporation in charge of it.

10/14/2011 2:09:11 PM

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stolen from Shrike

10/14/2011 2:17:25 PM

^Trying to understand your analogy. So every single person is a slave and the companies that make the goods we buy are the slaveowners, even though they pay wage to every employee and our own buying of their goods is optional? Slaves were 'slaves' because they were not paid compensation for their labor and had no rights.

[Edited on October 14, 2011 at 2:31 PM. Reason : /]

10/14/2011 2:29:06 PM

you've opened my eyes pryderi, we are all slaves, no one has freedom, we've never lived a day in our life totally independent and able to make your own choices and we've been in a cage our entire existence.

life is horrible and everything about it sucks and only the top 1% can help me and i need them to give me stuff.

it's so clear to me now. thanks.

lol

10/14/2011 3:30:19 PM

I, too, feel superior after making fun of someone else's misrepresented position.

10/14/2011 3:39:26 PM

I, too, can feign being intellectually more advanced than another despite weak arguments and no evidence.

10/14/2011 3:43:58 PM

I've done no such thing in this thread.

You, on the other hand,...

10/14/2011 3:44:41 PM

Challenge for anybody with guts. Yell the following phrases and hold up signs amongst protestors:

Bring Back Sharia Law!
The Soviet Union had no Poverty!
Islam is the Light!
Wall Street belongs in Zion!

Extra bonus points:
Use phrases from Mein Kampf, Zweites Buch, or the Turner Diaries, and replace the word "jew" with "rich" or "1st". See how many people you can get to agree with you, film it, and then after you have amassed a crowd reveal that those were the words of Zee Fuhrer himselff.

Watch 99% blindly follow screaming. Yay

10/14/2011 3:49:16 PM